1. Standard memberDeepThought
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    30 Mar '17 03:07
    Originally posted by vivify
    Is there a point where the stability decreases the faster you go? For example, is a bike moving at 100 km per hour more stable than a bike moving at 30? Is a bike moving at the speed of sound more stable than a bike moving 100 km per hour?
    If a cyclist were able to get anywhere near the speed of sound then shockwaves would start to form which would make the bicycle unstable.
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    30 Mar '17 08:14
    Originally posted by chaney3
    You really have nothing to offer in regards to science.
    You have nothing to offer in regards to conversation.
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    30 Mar '17 08:19
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    If a cyclist were able to get anywhere near the speed of sound then shockwaves would start to form which would make the bicycle unstable.
    'Speed wobble

    Bikes can occasionally become unstable while descending. Known by motorcyclists as a 'tank slapper', a shimmy or speed wobble is an unnerving oscillation in which the frame and fork twist from side to side and the front wheel jerks the steering left and right. If it happens, your instinct is to grab the bars firmly and brake hard. Both of these things can make the speed wobble worse!

    You may never suffer from a shimmying bike. But if you do, the following advice could prevent a crash. Stand up on the pedals and, if the frame has a top tube, grip it between your thighs. This damps down the vibration. You can then brake gradually to a stop.'

    www.cyclescheme.co.uk/community/how-to/how-to-cycle-down-hills
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    30 Mar '17 11:18
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    'Speed wobble

    Bikes can occasionally become unstable while descending. Known by motorcyclists as a 'tank slapper', a shimmy or speed wobble is an unnerving oscillation in which the frame and fork twist from side to side and the front wheel jerks the steering left and right. If it happens, your instinct is to grab the bars firmly and brake hard. Bo ...[text shortened]... n brake gradually to a stop.'

    www.cyclescheme.co.uk/community/how-to/how-to-cycle-down-hills
    That subject also has a Wikipedia page [1]. Which goes into more depth about why it happens. Unfortunately the reference containing to a downloadable paper on the subject has a broken link.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_wobble
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    30 Mar '17 13:57
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics

    http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~fajans/Teaching/MoreBikeFiles/JonesBikeBW.pdf

    In the PDF, a bicycle was created with an extra counter rotating wheel to counter gyroscopic effects. It was still rideable. Although it did make the bicycle fall over faster if it was not being ridden.
    Here is another:

    http://www.phys.lsu.edu/faculty/gonzalez/Teaching/Phys7221/vol59no9p51_56.pdf
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    30 Mar '17 15:03
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    That subject also has a Wikipedia page [1]. Which goes into more depth about why it happens. Unfortunately the reference containing to a downloadable paper on the subject has a broken link.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_wobble
    Have a memory of seeing a motor cyclist experiencing extreme shockwaves while going for some speed record or another (might have been Evel Knievel). Can't be much fun falling off at that speed.
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    30 Mar '17 15:09
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    Why, when I was a kid and tried to ride a bicycle 'hands free,' would I always veer off to the left? (Same thing happened when I hit a golf ball or kick a football).

    Which side do you dress?
    This could be the source of your instability.

    Try reading "The Eastern Art of Balance" by Wun Hung Lo
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    30 Mar '17 15:20
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Which side do you dress?
    This could be the source of your instability.

    Try reading "The Eastern Art of Balance" by Wun Hung Lo
    Hey, you're the guy who stole my saddle. 😠
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    30 Mar '17 15:32
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    Hey, you're the guy who stole my saddle. 😠
    Wow, you have been saddled with this all these years.
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    30 Mar '17 17:51
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Wow, you have been saddled with this all these years.
    Would chuckle sir, but am two tired.

    😞
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    30 Mar '17 19:49
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    Would chuckle sir, but am two tired.

    😞
    His joke did not sit easy with you.
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    30 Mar '17 19:57
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    His joke did not sit easy with you.
    I just can't handle it.
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    30 Mar '17 20:34
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I just can't handle it.
    He was stumped by wolfgang59.
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    30 Mar '17 20:40
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    He was stumped by wolfgang59.
    He caught me off (mud) guard.
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    31 Mar '17 02:45
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    If a bicycle is falling to one side, and you steer to that side, the momentum of the bicycle is now slightly in the opposite direction which rights the bicycle. So the secret to riding a bike is to steer towards the direction you are falling. The design of the steering column helps by causing the bicycle to automatically steer in the direction it is falling or stay directly straight when upright. (assuming the wheels are correctly aligned.)
    Yes, steering is essential. No one can stay balanced if the wheels are in a rut (caught in tram tracks, for example). Rolling wheels however are not essential; this can be demonstrated by any track cyclist.
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