1. Subscribersonhouse
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    16 Feb '13 23:58
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200089470495874&set=vb.1123245030&type=2&theater
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    17 Feb '13 01:58
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200089470495874&set=vb.1123245030&type=2&theater
    I have facebook blocked for sanity/security/privacy reasons...
    Do you have a link that I can safely go to?
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    17 Feb '13 03:59
    Perhaps you could copy & paste the germane sentences?
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    17 Feb '13 14:21
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    I have facebook blocked for sanity/security/privacy reasons...
    Do you have a link that I can safely go to?
    I looked at the page elements and there is no clear link there, I also googled midway and didn't find it there either. Can't separate the clip from FB. Sorry. Take a chance and look anyway, it is an eye opener.
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    17 Feb '13 14:321 edit
    Originally posted by Paul Dirac II
    Perhaps you could copy & paste the germane sentences?
    It's a movie clip with some dead birds supposedly because they ate some plastic.

    Quote from Wikipedia:
    Midway Atoll, in common with all the Hawaiian Islands, receives substantial amounts of marine debris from the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Consisting of ninety percent plastic, this debris accumulates on the beaches of Midway. This garbage represents a hazard to the bird population of the island. Of the 1.5 million Laysan Albatrosses that inhabit Midway, nearly all are found to have plastic in their digestive system.[26] Approximately one-third of the chicks die.[27]
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    17 Feb '13 15:27
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    It's a movie clip with some dead birds supposedly because they ate some plastic.

    Quote from Wikipedia:
    Midway Atoll, in common with all the Hawaiian Islands, receives substantial amounts of marine debris from the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Consisting of ninety percent plastic, this debris accumulates on the beaches of Midway. This garbage r ...[text shortened]... e plastic in their digestive system.[26] Approximately one-third of the chicks die.[27]
    Saying 'Some' albies ate plastic is like saying Pol Pot killed 'some' Cambodians.
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    17 Feb '13 19:59
    In some ways we humans are doing better than we used to, though with an ever-growing population we are destined to cause even more problems in the long run. I was watching 'Charles Kuralt on the Road,' a TV series from the 1970s. He filmed a race of homemade rafts. They casually tossed their empty beer cans in the river. I doubt very many people would do that these days.
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    17 Feb '13 20:37
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Saying 'Some' albies ate plastic is like saying Pol Pot killed 'some' Cambodians.
    Well, it's unfortunate for those birds. If you'd make a list of the most pressing environmental concerns, this probably doesn't make it to the top 1000, though. And what would you do to stop it? Instead of making melodramatic videos, people might be better off pushing for measures that would make a real difference for the environment, like lobbying for nuclear power or an increase in petrol and electricity taxes. But I guess in those cases it goes beyond self-importance and self-loathing and towards actual solutions, and choices people have to make. And that would be very scary.
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    17 Feb '13 21:55
    http://plasticsoup.co.nz/2009/04/21/dead-albatross-had-gutful-of-plastic-dunedin-new-zealand/

    Old news but worth reminding ourselves of it.

    Here in Dunedin we have the only mainland nesting site for Royal
    Abatrosses great conservation work is done here but one of the constant
    dangers is from birds feeding their chicks plastic.
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    18 Feb '13 10:30
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Well, it's unfortunate for those birds. If you'd make a list of the most pressing environmental concerns, this probably doesn't make it to the top 1000, though. And what would you do to stop it? Instead of making melodramatic videos, people might be better off pushing for measures that would make a real difference for the environment, like lobbying for ...[text shortened]... and towards actual solutions, and choices people have to make. And that would be very scary.
    My favourite is denser cities. High density cities are so much more environmentally friendly than suburbia that city living is probably the most significant thing anyone can do for the environment and probably also the most important public policy. Yet oddly enough I find people remarkably reluctant to discuss it, and it is hardly ever mentioned with regards to environmental issues.
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    18 Feb '13 12:16
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    My favourite is denser cities. High density cities are so much more environmentally friendly than suburbia that city living is probably the most significant thing anyone can do for the environment and probably also the most important public policy. Yet oddly enough I find people remarkably reluctant to discuss it, and it is hardly ever mentioned with regards to environmental issues.
    That's because most peoples view of what 'green' looks like is rwingett's small 'sustainable'
    communities that he thinks we should all live in.

    Cities don't look green, they are all steel glass and concrete... Whereas suburbia has trees
    and gardens and literally looks greener.
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    18 Feb '13 13:26
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    That's because most peoples view of what 'green' looks like is rwingett's small 'sustainable'
    communities that he thinks we should all live in.

    Cities don't look green, they are all steel glass and concrete... Whereas suburbia has trees
    and gardens and literally looks greener.
    Cities CAN be a lot greener, look at the designs where there are gardens growing food inside skyscrapers and powered by solar cells, pretty self contained. Almost a spaceship on Earth.
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    18 Feb '13 13:54
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Cities CAN be a lot greener, look at the designs where there are gardens growing food inside skyscrapers and powered by solar cells, pretty self contained. Almost a spaceship on Earth.
    Oh yes definitely.

    Cities can and should be made a lot greener, both environmentally and literally.

    But at present they don't look green in the same way that a small self contained
    community in the country does. Despite in reality being much more environmentally
    sustainable.
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    18 Feb '13 20:03
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Oh yes definitely.

    Cities can and should be made a lot greener, both environmentally and literally.

    But at present they don't look green in the same way that a small self contained
    community in the country does. Despite in reality being much more environmentally
    sustainable.
    There's a lot of green in the Helsinki metropolitan area. They like trees here.
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    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    The cleanup of the oceans could take trillions of dollars and I don't thing there will ever be the political will to do such a thing.
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