17 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeI looked at the page elements and there is no clear link there, I also googled midway and didn't find it there either. Can't separate the clip from FB. Sorry. Take a chance and look anyway, it is an eye opener.
I have facebook blocked for sanity/security/privacy reasons...
Do you have a link that I can safely go to?
17 Feb 13
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Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIIt's a movie clip with some dead birds supposedly because they ate some plastic.
Perhaps you could copy & paste the germane sentences?
Quote from Wikipedia:
Midway Atoll, in common with all the Hawaiian Islands, receives substantial amounts of marine debris from the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Consisting of ninety percent plastic, this debris accumulates on the beaches of Midway. This garbage represents a hazard to the bird population of the island. Of the 1.5 million Laysan Albatrosses that inhabit Midway, nearly all are found to have plastic in their digestive system.[26] Approximately one-third of the chicks die.[27]
17 Feb 13
Originally posted by KazetNagorraSaying 'Some' albies ate plastic is like saying Pol Pot killed 'some' Cambodians.
It's a movie clip with some dead birds supposedly because they ate some plastic.
Quote from Wikipedia:Midway Atoll, in common with all the Hawaiian Islands, receives substantial amounts of marine debris from the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Consisting of ninety percent plastic, this debris accumulates on the beaches of Midway. This garbage r ...[text shortened]... e plastic in their digestive system.[26] Approximately one-third of the chicks die.[27]
17 Feb 13
In some ways we humans are doing better than we used to, though with an ever-growing population we are destined to cause even more problems in the long run. I was watching 'Charles Kuralt on the Road,' a TV series from the 1970s. He filmed a race of homemade rafts. They casually tossed their empty beer cans in the river. I doubt very many people would do that these days.
17 Feb 13
Originally posted by sonhouseWell, it's unfortunate for those birds. If you'd make a list of the most pressing environmental concerns, this probably doesn't make it to the top 1000, though. And what would you do to stop it? Instead of making melodramatic videos, people might be better off pushing for measures that would make a real difference for the environment, like lobbying for nuclear power or an increase in petrol and electricity taxes. But I guess in those cases it goes beyond self-importance and self-loathing and towards actual solutions, and choices people have to make. And that would be very scary.
Saying 'Some' albies ate plastic is like saying Pol Pot killed 'some' Cambodians.
17 Feb 13
http://plasticsoup.co.nz/2009/04/21/dead-albatross-had-gutful-of-plastic-dunedin-new-zealand/
Old news but worth reminding ourselves of it.
Here in Dunedin we have the only mainland nesting site for Royal
Abatrosses great conservation work is done here but one of the constant
dangers is from birds feeding their chicks plastic.
18 Feb 13
Originally posted by KazetNagorraMy favourite is denser cities. High density cities are so much more environmentally friendly than suburbia that city living is probably the most significant thing anyone can do for the environment and probably also the most important public policy. Yet oddly enough I find people remarkably reluctant to discuss it, and it is hardly ever mentioned with regards to environmental issues.
Well, it's unfortunate for those birds. If you'd make a list of the most pressing environmental concerns, this probably doesn't make it to the top 1000, though. And what would you do to stop it? Instead of making melodramatic videos, people might be better off pushing for measures that would make a real difference for the environment, like lobbying for ...[text shortened]... and towards actual solutions, and choices people have to make. And that would be very scary.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadThat's because most peoples view of what 'green' looks like is rwingett's small 'sustainable'
My favourite is denser cities. High density cities are so much more environmentally friendly than suburbia that city living is probably the most significant thing anyone can do for the environment and probably also the most important public policy. Yet oddly enough I find people remarkably reluctant to discuss it, and it is hardly ever mentioned with regards to environmental issues.
communities that he thinks we should all live in.
Cities don't look green, they are all steel glass and concrete... Whereas suburbia has trees
and gardens and literally looks greener.
18 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeCities CAN be a lot greener, look at the designs where there are gardens growing food inside skyscrapers and powered by solar cells, pretty self contained. Almost a spaceship on Earth.
That's because most peoples view of what 'green' looks like is rwingett's small 'sustainable'
communities that he thinks we should all live in.
Cities don't look green, they are all steel glass and concrete... Whereas suburbia has trees
and gardens and literally looks greener.
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18 Feb 13
Originally posted by sonhouseOh yes definitely.
Cities CAN be a lot greener, look at the designs where there are gardens growing food inside skyscrapers and powered by solar cells, pretty self contained. Almost a spaceship on Earth.
Cities can and should be made a lot greener, both environmentally and literally.
But at present they don't look green in the same way that a small self contained
community in the country does. Despite in reality being much more environmentally
sustainable.
18 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeThere's a lot of green in the Helsinki metropolitan area. They like trees here.
Oh yes definitely.
Cities can and should be made a lot greener, both environmentally and literally.
But at present they don't look green in the same way that a small self contained
community in the country does. Despite in reality being much more environmentally
sustainable.
