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  1. 16 Aug '18 09:04
    The current clan points system is out of step with what is needed
    It is a system that allows a clan who only plays one challenge to finish higher than a clan that plays a lot of challenges
    It is also open to sandbagging by being able to finish challenges early

    My proposal is that as this is about clan challenges
    The points should be awarded for clan challenges rather than clan games as it is now
    Because the amount of members in clan challenges varies this should be where the games comes in
    So you would get three points for a clan challenge win plus one point per game won
    The gross points would be ( ( clan challenge *3 ) + games won ) which can be checked
    The gross points at the moment cannot be checked

    Currently a 3 man challenge could finish in the following ways
    clan a wins 6 - 0 clan a gets 6 points clan b gets -6 points
    clan a wins 5 - 1 clan a gets 6 points clan b gets -6 points
    clan a wins 4 - 2 clan a gets 6 points clan b gets -6 points
    clan a draws with clan b each gets 3 points

    New
    clan a wins 6 - 0 clan a gets 9 points clan b gets 0 points
    clan a wins 5 - 1 clan a gets 8 points clan b gets 1 points
    clan a wins 4 - 2 clan a gets 7 points clan b gets 2 points
    clan a draws with clan b each gets 3 points

    Some may say that with this system the clan that plays a lot of challenges will win
    That would be the same in any of the past years
    But surely we want clans to play lots of matches
    It is only half way through the current year but it looks to me like it is stagnating
    With the same old clans at the top
  2. 16 Aug '18 21:13 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @padger
    The current clan points system is out of step with what is needed
    It is a system that allows a clan who only plays one challenge to finish higher than a clan that plays a lot of challenges
    It is also open to sandbagging by being able to finish challenges early

    My proposal is that as this is about clan challenges
    The points should be awarded for clan c ...[text shortened]... gh the current year but it looks to me like it is stagnating
    With the same old clans at the top
    Ok. So I read your proposal.

    First of all, the first sentence of your post usually represents either
    a Problem Statement or an Opportunity for Improvement (known in business world as a Business Opportunity Statement).

    Your first sentence does not remotely meet the minimum requirements to be either as it has no basis in fact.

    This renders the rest of your post useless.

    Nonetheless I did read on.
    Including your description of the current scoring system.

    Simple and elegant, isn't it ??
    Not perfect. But simple and elegant.

    Russ did implement some safeguards a while back to prevent cheating.
    Not perfect but it helps.

    And btw, your proposal would be just as prone to cheats, in fact more so.

    And convoluted to boot.
    And it awards points for losing which I in the past have stated as making absolutely no sense !!!

    But by all means, keep posting your ideas here.
    For entertainment value, of course.
  3. 17 Aug '18 04:46
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    Ok. So I read your proposal.

    First of all, the first sentence of your post usually represents either
    a Problem Statement or an Opportunity for Improvement (known in business world as a Business Opportunity Statement).

    Your first sentence does not remotely meet the minimum requirements to be either as it has no basis in fact.

    This renders the rest ...[text shortened]... ense !!!

    But by all means, keep posting your ideas here.
    For entertainment value, of course.
    I would like for you to explain to me how changing the points system would make it prone to cheats
    As I understand it the cheating was that 2 or three clans got together to get points for one of them
    How does changing the points system have anything to do with that
    As for awarding points for losing
    It is a lot better than now where you get double points deducted for winning
    You mister are running scared in case it changes your current position at the top of the greasy pole
  4. 17 Aug '18 19:24
    Originally posted by @padger
    I would like for you to explain to me how changing the points system would make it prone to cheats
    As I understand it the cheating was that 2 or three clans got together to get points for one of them
    How does changing the points system have anything to do with that
    As for awarding points for losing
    It is a lot better than now where you get double points ...[text shortened]... mister are running scared in case it changes your current position at the top of the greasy pole
    We're not running scared.
    We're running just fine.

    We have always adapted to rule changes.
    We compete.
    We play often because we have a clan leader that gets us challenges and does his homework.
    And we play well. And clean.

    As to the cheating, I just threw in that comment when I didn't really have to.
    But any system is vulnerable to cheats.
  5. 18 Aug '18 11:04
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    We're not running scared.
    We're running just fine.

    We have always adapted to rule changes.
    We compete.
    We play often because we have a clan leader that gets us challenges and does his homework.
    And we play well. And clean.

    As to the cheating, I just threw in that comment when I didn't really have to.
    But any system is vulnerable to cheats.
    So you can't find anything wrong with my proposal
    You just don't like change
    If you have read all the posts you will see I don't really care who wins the clan race
    Makes no difference to me if it is your clan or not
    What I do care about is having a stupid points system that takes away points that you have already earned
  6. 18 Aug '18 18:03
    Originally posted by @padger
    So you can't find anything wrong with my proposal
    You just don't like change
    If you have read all the posts you will see I don't really care who wins the clan race
    Makes no difference to me if it is your clan or not
    What I do care about is having a stupid points system that takes away points that you have already earned
    Your proposal doesn't make sense.
    It would just evolve into something similar to the gross points method.
    Except that it actually awards points for losing.

    Deducting points for a lost challenge may seem cruel.
    But think of it as being similar to a multiple choice test that deducts for a wrong answer to discourage guessing.
    It's arbitrary. Simple as that.
  7. 19 Aug '18 11:45
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    Your proposal doesn't make sense.
    It would just evolve into something similar to the gross points method.
    Except that it actually awards points for losing.

    Deducting points for a lost challenge may seem cruel.
    But think of it as being similar to a multiple choice test that deducts for a wrong answer to discourage guessing.
    It's arbitrary. Simple as that.
    What is wrong with gross points ?