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  1. 16 May '10 14:49
    I see we are just over 200 tournaments short of the tournament id 10000. So how about making it special and getting ourselves into the Guiness World Records?

    Here's my idea: the number of entrants - including non subscribers - 10000. I checked in player tables, and the 10000th most active player made 43 moves so far in May. So I reckon there would be enough willing and able participants (this could be ensured, for instance, by sending a PM to every member of RHP).
    The time control could be, say, 3/28, ie convenient to almost everyone. Obviously, the most difficult part would be a format of such tournament. My suggestion would be to use the Swiss-system with, for instance, 9 rounds (so everyone would play 18 games).

    Of course, it would take a few years to complete, and all this may be a bit of a fantasy, but wouldn't it be fun?
  2. Subscriber coquette
    Already mated
    16 May '10 16:14
    Originally posted by kes29
    I see we are just over 200 tournaments short of the tournament id 10000. So how about making it special and getting ourselves into the Guiness World Records?

    Here's my idea: the number of entrants - including non subscribers - 10000. I checked in player tables, and the 10000th most active player made 43 moves so far in May. So I reckon there would be enough ...[text shortened]... take a few years to complete, and all this may be a bit of a fantasy, but wouldn't it be fun?
    Love the idea. First, though, would it really be a world record? I doubt it, but a check with FIDE might give a quick answer.

    Second, it would be meaningless unless EVERY member actually made at least three moves without any timeouts. Could that be somehow facilitated. For instance, time outs could be eliminated in that tournament until a certain number of moves have been made. Even still, I bet there are a couple of members that would just disappear and ruin it. Such is the way it goes.

    Maybe I'm making too much of the "no shows?"
  3. Subscriber Ponderableonline
    chemist
    16 May '10 18:49
    Actually I think the Swiss system should first be tested in other tournaments.
    And a tournament like that should be seeded in my opinon (making sure I vanish in the first round...but then)
  4. 16 May '10 19:10
    Originally posted by kes29
    I see we are just over 200 tournaments short of the tournament id 10000. So how about making it special and getting ourselves into the Guiness World Records?

    Here's my idea: the number of entrants - including non subscribers - 10000. I checked in player tables, and the 10000th most active player made 43 moves so far in May. So I reckon there would be enough ...[text shortened]... take a few years to complete, and all this may be a bit of a fantasy, but wouldn't it be fun?
    including non subscribers (so everyone would play 18 games).

    do you see something wrong here?

    the only way russ would let non-subs play in such a tournament would be if it as a dual. and even at 3/7 it would take about 10 years to complete. in other words - it's not going to happen imo.

    maybe a smaller open duel though.
  5. 16 May '10 20:20
    Swiss-system means no one would vanish in any round. And everyone would have at most 2 games at a time (or even one, if it was used as in OTB tournaments).
    Duration would be problematic though. Out of 10000 (or 5000) games, you would expect few will last quite a while, so it actually may take up to a year to complete a round. Maybe 7 rounds then? There are also various variations of this system.

    Oh well, it looks just too grandiose a project anyway...
  6. 16 May '10 20:54
    explain the swiss-system to a chess noob
  7. 16 May '10 21:13
    Originally posted by trev33
    explain the swiss-system to a chess noob
    From Wikipedia:

    A Swiss-system tournament is a commonly used type of tournament where players or teams need to be paired to face each other for several rounds of competition. This type of tournament was first used in a Zurich chess tournament in 1895, hence the name "Swiss system". The Swiss system is used when there are too many players to play a round-robin tournament. It is also preferable to an elimination tournament if all of the players can play at the same time (e.g. as in chess but not in tennis, due to a limited number of tennis courts).

    For the rest of the article, we will use the term player to refer to the parties involved. A team may be considered as a player when teams are playing against other teams.

    A Swiss tournament goes for a predetermined number of rounds, with all of the players taking part in each round. In each round two players compete head-to-head. All players participate in the entire tournament – none are eliminated. The winner (and top places) of the tournament is based on the final scores of the players. The final score is based on the number of points they accumulated for each round. In some competitions, one point is awarded to the winner of a round; in others, a number of points can be earned each round.

    The principle of a Swiss tournament is that each player will be pitted against another player who has done as well (or poorly) as him or herself. For the first round, players are paired either according to some pattern or randomly (according to common practice in that type or game or sport). For subsequent rounds, players are sorted according to their cumulative scores and players are assigned opponents that have the same or similar score to that point. One proviso is that the same players never oppose each other twice. There may be adjustments made to the natural order. For instance, in chess the pairings may be changed to equalize the number of times a player has been White and Black.

    The Swiss system is commonly used in chess, go, bridge, Scrabble, squash, Quiz Bowl, Magic: The Gathering, Eight Ball and other games.
  8. 16 May '10 21:22
    sounds like it could go on for a while... some 3/7 games last a year.
  9. 17 May '10 11:54
    Originally posted by kes29
    I see we are just over 200 tournaments short of the tournament id 10000. So how about making it special and getting ourselves into the Guiness World Records?

    Here's my idea: the number of entrants - including non subscribers - 10000. I checked in player tables, and the 10000th most active player made 43 moves so far in May. So I reckon there would be enough ...[text shortened]... take a few years to complete, and all this may be a bit of a fantasy, but wouldn't it be fun?
    10,000 entrants will never happen.

    The largest tournament to date was the 2009 Championships with 1419 entrants.
  10. Subscriber Ponderableonline
    chemist
    17 May '10 13:57
    Originally posted by kes29
    Swiss-system means no one would vanish in any round. And everyone would have at most 2 games at a time (or even one, if it was used as in OTB tournaments).
    Duration would be problematic though. Out of 10000 (or 5000) games, you would expect few will last quite a while, so it actually may take up to a year to complete a round. Maybe 7 rounds then? There are al ...[text shortened]... o various variations of this system.

    Oh well, it looks just too grandiose a project anyway...
    I understood that well and suggested to use the Swiss system first on another occasion to see how the site's software can arrange it
  11. Standard member Phlabibit
    Mystic Meg
    17 May '10 18:47
    Originally posted by adramforall
    10,000 entrants will never happen.

    The largest tournament to date was the 2009 Championships with 1419 entrants.
    Force all subs to join, and if they cancel the game they are out first round.

    This would neither count against rating or Win Lost record if done right.

    P-
  12. Standard member clandarkfire
    Grammar Nazi
    17 May '10 22:45
    Love the idea - though 10000 seems unreasonably large.

    Good luck getting Russ to agree to let freeloader scum join though. No matter what the size of the groups were, it would give them extra games for the next 10 years.
  13. Subscriber Ponderableonline
    chemist
    18 May '10 11:27
    non-subs in that kind of BIG tournament: Actually they would be fixed in whom they play and maybe the players in the tournament wouldn't be very fast either...
  14. 18 May '10 12:24
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    Force all subs to join, and if they cancel the game they are out first round.

    This would neither count against rating or Win Lost record if done right.

    P-
    Good way to lose subs.
  15. Standard member Phlabibit
    Mystic Meg
    18 May '10 13:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by adramforall
    Good way to lose subs.
    Think so? They can participate or not.

    How many games per round would there be?

    If it's a high number like 500 or even 30 games created I suppose it is bad.

    I thought the swiss system made you head on head on head only creating 2 games for each round.

    So, if I'm wrong I agree it's a bad idea.

    P-