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    Eid al-Adha, also called the "Sacrifice Feast", is the second of two Muslim holidays celebrated worldwide each year, and considered the holier of the two. It honors the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ismaeel, as an act of obedience to God's command. Before he sacrificed his son, God intervened by sending his angel Gabriel, who then put a ram in his son's place. In commemoration of this, an animal is sacrificed and divided into three parts: one third of the share is given to the poor and needy; another third is given to relatives, friends and neighbors; and the remaining third is retained by the family. [wiki]

    Here in Ondonesia, we have already received our gift of mutton. The poor goat involved was scuffling about, alive and well, near my front gate last night when I got home from work.
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    Originally posted by @fmf
    Eid al-Adha, also called the "Sacrifice Feast", is the second of two Muslim holidays celebrated worldwide each year, and considered the holier of the two. It honors the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ismaeel, as an act of obedience to God's command. Before he sacrificed his son, God intervened by sending his angel Gabriel, who then put a ram in his ...[text shortened]... ed was scuffling about, alive and well, near my front gate last night when I got home from work.
    Are people permitted to slaughter the animals themselves?
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    And I assume that this fairy-tale about a supposed attempted sacrifice of Ishmael is in the Qur'an?

    Care to give a reference as to where in the Qur'an this section can be found?
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    01 Sep '17 12:44
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    And I assume that this fairy-tale about a supposed attempted sacrifice of Ishmael is in the Qur'an?

    Care to give a reference as to where in the Qur'an this section can be found?
    You can just go look it up if your interest is genuine, Suzianne. The Quran is searchable just like the Bible.
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    01 Sep '17 12:47
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Are people permitted to slaughter the animals themselves?
    Where I live someone in the neighbourhood who's a dab hand does it because he knows how to do it so it's not haram with the blood draining and all that.
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    01 Sep '17 12:55
    Originally posted by @fmf
    You can just go look it up if your interest is genuine, Suzianne. The Quran is searchable just like the Bible.
    It appears that this occurs at (37:100-107).
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    01 Sep '17 13:00
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    And I assume that this fairy-tale about a supposed attempted sacrifice of Ishmael is in the Qur'an?
    I thought you objected strongly to people referring to stories from holy scriptures as "fairy tales"?
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    01 Sep '17 19:48
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I thought you objected strongly to people referring to stories from holy scriptures as "fairy tales"?
    Suzianne objects to anything which contradicts her pinhole view of how the red hot pawn spiritually forum should operate.
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    01 Sep '17 20:46
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I thought you objected strongly to people referring to stories from holy scriptures as "fairy tales"?
    Tell me why they are 'holy'?
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    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Tell me why they are 'holy'?
    This is FMF you are asking this of, right?
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    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Tell me why they are 'holy'?
    Pretty much all religious texts - as far as I am aware - are perceived as "holy" by whichever groups believe in them. And that's what being "holy" amounts to: it's a kind of aura or a significance generated by the perception and reverence of the various religions' adherents.
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    02 Sep '17 13:40
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Suzianne objects to anything which contradicts her pinhole view of how the red hot pawn spiritually forum should operate.
    The irony is strong in this one. I do not routinely unceasingly attack posters merely for disagreeing with me. I might say my bit, but then I'm done, I don't rail them into the ground and follow them around hounding them until they want to leave the site.
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    02 Sep '17 13:43
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I thought you objected strongly to people referring to stories from holy scriptures as "fairy tales"?
    When those supposed "holy" scriptures directly lie about and misrepresent an event clearly related in my holy scriptures, yeah, I take exception.
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    02 Sep '17 13:45
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    This is FMF you are asking this of, right?
    So he gets a pass?

    I've never heard you defend the Bible to sonhouse, either.
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    02 Sep '17 14:04
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    When those supposed "holy" scriptures directly lie about and misrepresent an event clearly related in my holy scriptures, yeah, I take exception.
    You think the story ~ about the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son to demonstrate his obedience to God's command ~ is a "lie"?
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