Originally posted by Nicksten
In the prayer God says "Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares and brings you closer to me." The POINT is, suffering is not a pointless pain, it is that "whatever" brings you closer to God is a blessing!
I noticed this morning
"if we suffer with Him that we may also reign with Him" in
Romans 8:17.
Everyone suffers. Christians can
"suffer with Him." That means enjoy Christ as our grace as we pass through various
unavoidable sufferings.
These help in our transformation into His image and preparation to enjoy the reward of reigning and being glorified with Him in the millennial kingdom. Eternal redemption is secured. Reigning with Christ in the millennial kingdom is
conditional upon suffering WITH Him.
" And if children, heirs also; on the one hand, heirs of God; on the other, joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him that we may also be glorified with Him." (Rom. 8:17)
Conditional glorification with Christ and co-inheriting with Christ
BASED upon our willingness to
"suffer with Him".
This has to pertain to the co-inheriting with Christ in glory in the 1,000 year millennial kingdom preceding the eternal age.
Again ...
" ... joint heirs with Christ, IF INDEED ... we SUFFER with Him THAT ... we may be GLORIFIED with Him."
Everyone suffers something in this life. Christians can cash in on all suffering by passing through it WITH Christ within as their grace and empowering support.
Try to make it to the end of this possibly longer post.
2 Corinthians 1:9 tells us that hardships and sufferings happen "so that we might not rely on ourselves but on God, who raises the dead."
Exactly. We may not expect the atheist to understand this. Everything pertaining to God they will invariably warp into an accusation against God as you see twhitehead doing.
To the Christian like Paul WITHIN the vessel of humanity is the treasure of divine life of God. But we are not use to living by that indwelling divine life. The unavoidable discomfort of this fallen world (and much more so if we are serving God) should press us into living by that indwelling life of Christ.
Paul describes Him as a
"treasure in earthen vessels"
" For we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not of us.
We are pressed on every side but not constricted, unable to find a way out but not utterly without a way out ..." (2 Cor. 4:7,8)
The treasure within the earth vessel of the Christian's humanity is the resurrection life of the Son of God. It is Christ Himself distributed and implanted into millions of His people as
"life giving Spirit" .
Atheists have an earthen vessel. But they have no living treasure within until they repent and receive the Lord Jesus. Talking to them about the benefit of our passing through sufferings with Christ is like playing a violin to a moose. It just makes no sense.
And again
1 Thessalonians 3:3 reminds us that we are "destined for trials." We don't have a choice whether we will suffer, our choice is to go through it by ourselves or with God.
Exactly. And we have the option to pass through them enjoying Christ as grace or doing it alone. Alone, I don't know how much benefit that could have. But with Christ, we gain Christ.
Along with the conditional co-glorification with Christ we see it also in
Second Timothy
"Faithful is the word: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him.
If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He will also deny us;
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself." (2 Tim. 2:11-13)
If we endure with Him, enjoying His empowering grace as our support, we will REIGN with Him. It is CONDITIONAL.
Suffer with Him will lead to being glorified with Him.
Enduring with Him will lead to reigning with Him.
Paul mastered this. He mastered living by the treasure put into his earthen vessel and releasing the excellency of the power of that treasure.
So you are right in saying that the majority of people go through suffering by themselves, cause they chose to do so...find God, find peace!
Eveyrday we human beings are passing through something. Not all suffering is great, Some is little suffering of a nuisance. But whether great or small,
" Man is born to trouble as sparks fly upwards."
We Christians have the unspeakable honor of passing through suffering WITH Christ in us. And the unbelievers have the opportunity for suffering to turn to Christ. Christ, in His victorious life and resurrection has overcome the world.
" These things I have spoken to you that in Me you may have peace.
In the world you have affliction, but take courage; I have overcome the world." (John 16:33)