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@fmf saidGod is worshiped through all life situations, not like you who runs from one to the other. Your like the waves in the ocean going back and fourth.
... to be worshiped in gratitude?
If this is what theist doctrine would have us believe, isn't it a very parochial conceptualisation of a creator entity.
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16 Aug 22
@fmf saidExtrapolating from my own tiny experience, maybe it could be something more like: "Wow! I made that?"
... to be worshiped in gratitude?
If this is what theist doctrine would have us believe, isn't it a very parochial conceptualisation of a creator entity.
@fmf saidA creator entity's primary wish is...to be worshiped in gratitude?
... to be worshiped in gratitude?
If this is what theist doctrine would have us believe, isn't it a very parochial conceptualisation of a creator entity.
With all due respect, you might consider that since God is absolute wisdom, speculating as to what our creator's primary wish is, is rather nonsensical since we have not the capacity to understand even a fraction of God's knowledge and power.
17 Aug 22
@mchill saidThis lazy "argument" simply absolves you from taking any responsibility for the incoherence of the things you believe.
With all due respect, you might consider that since God is absolute wisdom, speculating as to what our creator's primary wish is, is rather nonsensical since we have not the capacity to understand even a fraction of God's knowledge and power.
@fmf saidThe theist doctrine that I grew up on is that God wants the advancement of his creatures in ways that further his traits reflected in them, not that he's so worried about being worshipped.
... to be worshiped in gratitude?
If this is what theist doctrine would have us believe, isn't it a very parochial conceptualisation of a creator entity.
23 Aug 22
@sh76 saidInteresting comment. A lot would hinge on what our possibly prossaic definitions of "advancement" and "traits" would be. What would these be without the Jesus or Muhammed factors?
The theist doctrine that I grew up on is that God wants the advancement of his creatures in ways that further his traits reflected in them, not that he's so worried about being worshipped.
24 Aug 22
@fmf saidYou know, kindness, generosity, forbearance, mercy, etc.
Interesting comment. A lot would hinge on what our possibly prossaic definitions of "advancement" and "traits" would be. What would these be without the Jesus or Muhammed factors?
I guess not the ones like jealousy, vengeance, etc. (those are for God only, I guess).
24 Aug 22
@fmf saidWhy not go to the Ten Commandments for the answer, since they were authored by God Himself?
... to be worshiped in gratitude?
If this is what theist doctrine would have us believe, isn't it a very parochial conceptualisation of a creator entity.
The first four concern what God expects of man in man’s relationship with him:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me;
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy;
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Of course, the Ten Commandments were pre-Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry.
But Jesus said the two greatest commandments were to love the Lord your God with all your mind, all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength; and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Since no man can do either of these commandments, I believe they reveal the true purpose of the Law:
“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
(Galatians 3:24)
Also reflected in John 6:40:
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
That’s Jesus Christ talking! 👍👍
24 Aug 22
@pbsandwich saidThe Law was intended to show man his need for a Saviour! What does God want? That man believe on His Son!
Why not go to the Ten Commandments for the answer, since they were authored by God Himself?
The first four concern what God expects of man in man’s relationship with him:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me;
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the w ...[text shortened]... have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
That’s Jesus Christ talking! 👍👍
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@pbsandwich saidI think the law just booted you off the site again.
The Law was intended to show man his need for a Saviour! What does God want? That man believe on His Son!