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@divegeester saidMe too!
I’m unclear as you why you have posted this in reply to me?
Sand on the fire...fire on the mountain... one thought led to another.
@divegeester saidMe too!
I’m unclear as you why you have posted this in reply to me?
Sonship sonship sonship!
I do wholeheartedly appreciate your passion. I agree with most of what you posted in the three posts above. I have no doubt that you and I are at the very least in agreement 97.5% of the time with what the Bible teaches.
I did not mean to get under your skin. I apologize if I have offended you.
Let's assume that you and I are sufficiently informed about church history and the "recovery" of certain aspects of the gospel during the last 4 or 5 centuries. But also the corresponding heresies that have sprung up over the last one and a half centuries.
Many teach a corrupt gospel, and many are being deceived.
So that brings me to my point of contention. The "deification" of man. Convince me. With The Word. And I will gladly receive it as Truth.
Deal? 🙂
So that brings me to my point of contention. The "deification" of man. Convince me. With The Word. And I will gladly receive it as Truth.
Deal? 🙂
"I planted, Apollos watered, but God caused the growth." (1 Cor. 3:6)
... God causes the growth. Now he who plants and he who waters are one, but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor." (v. 8)
"For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's cultivated land [or farm], God's building." (v.9)
You should start a blog, as you are clearly not interested in debate.
Is your view of the Trinity scriptural?
Do you agree with a modalistic view of the Trinity?
Do you believe that only those meeting with the local church are Christians?
Do you believe that you are the only true church?
Why do some people call you “the church of Witness Lee”?
So I selected the above statement, and I will give you my take on it.
Me:
"How about a vision that we are not all just in single file expecting individual blessing."
You:
That is a strange way to characterize the relationship between God and an individual man.
God is intimately involved with each believer,
and interested in blessing each and every one.
My personal relationship with God is not contingent on what anyone else is doing. I'm not in line waiting my turn.
"For even as the body is one and has many members, yet all the members of the body, being many, are one body, so also is the Christ." (1 Cor. 12:12)
" ... yet all the members of the body, being many, are one body, SO ALSO IS THE CHRIST."
"...transmitting this fullness down through His entire Body of saved human beings as a collective..."
It's a Borg thing?
"Now the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you." (Rom. 16:20)
Collective? Why can't you stick with how Paul described the church?
"For the body is not one member but many. If the foot should say, Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body, it is not that because of this it is not of the body.
And if the ear should say, Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body, it is not that because of this it is not of the body.
If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were the hearing, where would the smelling be?
But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, even as He willed. And if all were one member, where would the body be?
But now the members are many, but the body one. And the eye cannot say to the hand, I have no need of you; nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
But much rather the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary." (1 Cor. 12:14-22)
Why introduce into the narrative words not found in scripture and allow the Holy Spirit to use God's Words to form Christ in each individual?
Me:
"...a collective living receptacle transformed and fitted to contain all divine glory?"
You:
"Contain all Devine glory?" Show me where in the Bible it says that.
"To Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus unto all the generations forever and ever. Amen." (Eph. 3:21)
"Until we all arrive at the oneness of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, at a full grown man, at the measure of the stature of the FULLNESS of Christ..." (Eph. 4:13) [b]
[b] "And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one even as We are one." (John 17:22)
" ... and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
Having the glory of God." (See Rev.. 21:9,10)
think you better pay closer attention to what you're being programmed with. It appears that Nee and Lee are adding words to the scriptures.
"We never heard much about these things until we came into the Lord's recovery."
You got that part right. God's Word was here long before Nee and Lee coined the term "Lord's recovery".
"When He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed (because our testimony to you was believed) in that day." (2 Thess. 1:10)
"For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the coming glory to be revealed upon us.
For the anxious watching of the creation eagerly awaits the revelation of the sons of God.
...
In hope that the creation itself will also be freed from the slavery of corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (See Romans 8:18-21)
@sonship saidA cursory glance over one of your posts...and there the cultist thinking straight away.
When I came into the Lord's recovery the veils came off my heart's eyes and I realized that the church is "the Christ".
@sonship saidDo you or your church leaders differentiate in any way between Christians who are members of the “local church” group and those who are not?
Me:
"...a collective living receptacle transformed and fitted to contain all divine glory?"
You:
"Contain all Devine glory?" Show me where in the Bible it says that.
There is the typology and there is the plain teaching.
In the typology what happened to the tabernacle once it was finished? It was filled with the glory of God.
What happened to t ...[text shortened]... corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (See Romans 8:18-21) [/b] [/quote]