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    17 Aug '11 17:28
    A 200 million year discrepancy? 4.4 billion years or 4.6 billion years?

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bizarre/7701151.html


    What day did God create the moon?
  2. Standard memberRJHinds
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    17 Aug '11 20:301 edit
    Originally posted by moon1969
    A 200 million year discrepancy? 4.4 billion years or 4.6 billion years?

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bizarre/7701151.html


    What day did God create the moon?
    I think the moon was created on the first day of creation because Genesis
    says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." And at
    this time the earth is described as formless and void and that there was
    darkness over the waters. I believe the heavens include all the physical
    bodies, including the moon. This could have been done just before the
    first day, however, since it then says God made light and divided the day
    from the night and this was the evening and the morning, one day.

    The sun, moon, and stars are not actually mentioned until the fourth day.
    Most Bible scholars believe this is the day that they become visible for a
    viewer on earth because of the clearing of the atmosphere or what the
    Holy Bible calls an expanse or heaven in the midst of the waters above
    and below it, that was made on the second day. But some believe this
    means the sun, moon, and stars were not created until the fourth day.
    However, that would mean the the heavens that were created in the
    beginning did not include the sun, moon, and stars. I don't believe that
    would make sense, because it also says that they were created to give
    light on the earth day and night and to be for signs, for seasons, for days,
    and for years. My logical mind tells me that they had to be created no
    later than the first day. What do you think?
  3. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    17 Aug '11 20:38
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I think the moon was created on the first day of creation because Genesis
    says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." And at
    this time the earth is described as formless and void and that there was
    darkness over the waters. I believe the heavens include all the physical
    bodies, including the moon. This could have been done just bef ...[text shortened]... l mind tells me that they had to be created no
    later than the first day. What do you think?
    So was the second day 4.4 billion years or 4.6 billion years ago?
  4. Standard memberpyxelated
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    17 Aug '11 20:47
    Originally posted by moon1969
    A 200 million year discrepancy? 4.4 billion years or 4.6 billion years?

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bizarre/7701151.html


    What day did God create the moon?
    OK, I must have missed something... why is a debate over the age of the moon going on in the Spirituality forum?

    (And the moon isn't even full right now 🙂 )
  5. Standard memberRJHinds
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    17 Aug '11 20:55
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    So was the second day 4.4 billion years or 4.6 billion years ago?
    I believe these days were 24 hour days as we understand a day today.
    The exact time is hard to determine but I would give an estimate that
    the second day was about 10,000 years ago. So if the moon was
    created on the first day then I don't see how it could be more than
    about 10,000 years old. The only way it could be much older than that
    is for it to have been created before the first day of creation. I don't
    believe that is the case, however. Therefore I believe these datings
    of billions of years is way off and something in wrong with the dating
    method even though the scientist think they are within about 200
    millions years of being exact.
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    18 Aug '11 07:23
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I believe these days were 24 hour days as we understand a day today.
    The exact time is hard to determine but I would give an estimate that
    the second day was about 10,000 years ago. So if the moon was
    created on the first day then I don't see how it could be more than
    about 10,000 years old. The only way it could be much older than that
    is for it to h ...[text shortened]... thod even though the scientist think they are within about 200
    millions years of being exact.
    What about the objects we see which are much more than 10 thousand light years away? If they're only 10,000 years old, how do we see them?
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    18 Aug '11 07:531 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Therefore I believe these datings of billions of years is way off and something in wrong with the dating method even though the scientist think they are within about 200 millions years of being exact.
    Why do creationists always assume that God made things in such a way that accurately dating the creation would be possible? If we don't know how he made the moon, would we be able to date it accurately? If he made it 'as is' then of course our dating methods wont work, because we are assuming that the moon came about via natural processes. Once the supernatural is involved anything goes and science cannot be used.
    But it still begs the question "why go to all the trouble of putting the exact proportions of elements etc into the rocks to give it the appearance of greater age than it really is?". This is similar to the starlight issue. Why create a whole history of an imaginary past universe that never existed?
    And lastly, why do creationists not apply the same argument to fossils? Why don't they just state that God planted the fossils in the ground upon creation?
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    18 Aug '11 09:57
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Why do creationists always assume that God made things in such a way that accurately dating the creation would be possible? If we don't know how he made the moon, would we be able to date it accurately? If he made it 'as is' then of course our dating methods wont work, because we are assuming that the moon came about via natural processes. Once the supern ...[text shortened]... ssils? Why don't they just state that God planted the fossils in the ground upon creation?
    I believe in science and I believe science will one day get this
    dating thing solved when the right God inspired scientist comes
    along.
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    18 Aug '11 09:58
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    What about the objects we see which are much more than 10 thousand light years away? If they're only 10,000 years old, how do we see them?
    With our eyes.
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    18 Aug '11 10:05
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I believe in science and I believe science will one day get this
    dating thing solved when the right God inspired scientist comes
    along.
    But science cannot possibly investigate the supernatural by definition.
    And if you believe science must be God inspired, then you don't understand what science is.
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    18 Aug '11 10:41
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I believe in science and I believe science will one day get this
    dating thing solved when the right God inspired scientist comes
    along.
    How can you say you believe in science and that you believe the universe is only 10,000 years old?
  12. Standard memberRJHinds
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    18 Aug '11 14:51
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    But science cannot possibly investigate the supernatural by definition.
    And if you believe science must be God inspired, then you don't understand what science is.
    But you have a warped view of science.
  13. Standard memberRJHinds
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    18 Aug '11 14:51
    Originally posted by avalanchethecat
    How can you say you believe in science [b]and that you believe the universe is only 10,000 years old?[/b]
    It comes easy for me.
  14. Standard memberavalanchethecat
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    18 Aug '11 15:02
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    It comes easy for me.
    Ah, because you're a troll, of course, silly me I forgot for a minute.
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