15 Dec 22
dj2becker claimed that getting angry with one's brother was equally as evil as exterminating 6,000,000 Jews.
KellyJay recently claimed that he is equally as evil as a rapist.
Both just posturing and regurgitating their rote-learned moral ideology, I know.
Both perhaps did not really believe what they were saying.
dj2becker was probably actually just telling me that I am equally as evil as an industrial-scale mass murderer... and that's why I need Jesus.
KellyJay was probably actually just telling me that I am equally as evil as a rapist... and that's why I need Jesus.
But what kind moral universe and society does a doctrine that claims 'all immoral acts are equally evil' presuppose or lead to?
15 Dec 22
@fmf saidI think if Christians read their Bible a bit more carefully, they wouldn't claim this.
dj2becker claimed that getting angry with one's brother was equally as evil as exterminating 6,000,000 Jews.
KellyJay recently claimed that he is equally as evil as a rapist.
Both just posturing and regurgitating their rote-learned moral ideology, I know.
Both perhaps did not really believe what they were saying.
dj2becker was probably actually just telling me that I ...[text shortened]... e and society does a doctrine that claims 'all immoral acts are equally evil' presuppose or lead to?
For example, it says that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can't be forgiven. That makes it worse than all those other sins that can.
Perhaps they mean that all sins disqualify one from heaven.
15 Dec 22
@fmf saidIt leads to a mindset where kellyjay will refuse to answer your question on whether or not homosexuals deserve to be executed.
But what kind moral universe and society does a doctrine that claims 'all immoral acts are equally evil' presuppose or lead to?
It leads to 16 year Iranian protestor Sonia Sharifi being hung by the neck from a crane for “fighting against God”. She will also most likely be raped beforehand by the Revolutionary Guard.
It leads to a belief that it is morally righteous to torture unbelievers for eternity.
It leads to believing that capturing a US pilot, putting him in a cage and burning him to death is doing Gods will.
Extremist Christian thinking and extremist Islamic thinking lead to exactly the same moral vacuum.
@bigdogg saidYou folks are getting very far off in left field here.
I think if Christians read their Bible a bit more carefully, they wouldn't claim this.
For example, it says that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can't be forgiven. That makes it worse than all those other sins that can.
Perhaps they mean that all sins disqualify one from heaven.
The point Jesus was trying to make when he said spoke in Matthew 5:19 - 5:22 was to illustrate the impossibility of being granted entrance to the kingdom of heaven via our own conduct. Try as we might, we cannot live up to the standard set down in God's law. Only through faith in Jesus, who paid the penalty for our sins, can we saved, and enter heaven.
23 Dec 22
@mchill saidSo, is it correct to say that getting angry with one's brother is equally as evil as exterminating 6,000,000 Jews?
You folks are getting very far off in left field here.
The point Jesus was trying to make when he said spoke in Matthew 5:19 - 5:22 was to illustrate the impossibility of being granted entrance to the kingdom of heaven via our own conduct. Try as we might, we cannot live up to the standard set down in God's law. Only through faith in Jesus, who paid the penalty for our sins, can we saved, and enter heaven.
24 Dec 22
@mchill saidI don't care what you think the point "should" be, nor about your "correct" way to read a certain passage. Neither do I care that we're on a tangent in your eyes. So what? It's a tangent some of us found interesting, and it's in a thread of its own, so there's absolutely no problem with it.
You folks are getting very far off in left field here.
The point Jesus was trying to make when he said spoke in Matthew 5:19 - 5:22 was to illustrate the impossibility of being granted entrance to the kingdom of heaven via our own conduct. Try as we might, we cannot live up to the standard set down in God's law. Only through faith in Jesus, who paid the penalty for our sins, can we saved, and enter heaven.
Please keep your tiresome evangelical cliches out of the thread.
@mchill saidYou lost me there. Jesus said in the passage you quoted:
You folks are getting very far off in left field here.
The point Jesus was trying to make when he said spoke in Matthew 5:19 - 5:22 was to illustrate the impossibility of being granted entrance to the kingdom of heaven via our own conduct. Try as we might, we cannot live up to the standard set down in God's law. Only through faith in Jesus, who paid the penalty for our sins, can we saved, and enter heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:19-22 KJV)
You say Jesus was trying to illustrate:
.. the impossibility of being granted entrance to the kingdom of heaven via our own conduct. Try as we might, we cannot live up to the standard set down in God's law. Only through faith in Jesus, who paid the penalty for our sins, can we saved, and enter heaven.
Clearly you are saying the complete opposite of what Jesus said. Jesus said the great ones in the Kingdom of God are those who both do and teach the commandments.
@bigdogg saidPlease keep your tiresome evangelical cliches out of the thread.
I don't care what you think the point "should" be, nor about your "correct" way to read a certain passage. Neither do I care that we're on a tangent in your eyes. So what? It's a tangent some of us found interesting, and it's in a thread of its own, so there's absolutely no problem with it.
Please keep your tiresome evangelical cliches out of the thread.
Well, excuse me, but my post (complete with tiresome evangelical cliches) was very much on point with the OP. Sorry if it's not what you want to read.
25 Dec 22
@mchill saidYou responded to me, not OP.
Please keep your tiresome evangelical cliches out of the thread.
Well, excuse me, but my post (complete with tiresome evangelical cliches) was very much on point with the OP. Sorry if it's not what you want to read.
If you think you're on point with OP, maybe you should answer his follow up question instead of responding to me again.
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28 Dec 22
@divegeester saidWhat would you say has led you to your own moral vacuum and/or abattoir?
Why are American Christians so spineless when it comes to addressing questions about their beliefs. Doesn’t happen in the UK.