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    15 Oct '09 16:30
    Originally posted by Badwater
    The Bible is neither written as, not intended to be, a historical document of fact.

    Those who would look to historical facts in the Bible and consider the words in the Bible inerrant are on a fool's mission and don't get it.

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    15 Oct '09 18:24
    What causes me no end of mirth at the stupidity displayed by those claiming that they can perfectly read the biblical entrails dropped in the dust at their feet is the sheer fact of the mutability of language itself and the near impossibility of deciphering the texts of your own language let alone a language both foreign and dead. Imagine someone from the south of England trying to interpret the poems of Robbie Burns provided by a translation from random residents of Taos, New Mexico and you won't even be a quarter of the way there. Either you are educated enough to appreciate this problem or you are just plain stupid.
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    15 Oct '09 19:02
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    both Christ's parents were descended from David,
    God was descended from David? Or are you missing the plot?
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    15 Oct '09 19:50
    Originally posted by 667joe
    The bible says Jesus descended from King David. It also says Joseph descended from David thus establishing Jesus in the line of David. But then the Bible states Jesus was born from the Virgin Mary claiming that Joseph had nothing to do with it. Obviously the bible is contradicting itself again, that is to say, the perfect book made another error.
    As another poster already said, both Joseph and Mary were from the house of David. Joseph's lineage was included for the purpose of showing why the Messiah could not have come from him: the curse found in Jeremiah 22:28-30 makes it impossible for the Messiah to come from the loins of Jehoiachin... from whom Joseph was clearly descended.

    Try again?
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    15 Oct '09 21:26
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    God was descended from David? Or are you missing the plot?
    excuse me, do not add injury to insult, nor betray your lack of knowledge of my beliefs, i do not hold that scripture dictates that Christ was God, are you following, therefore what does your assertion amount to now....
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    15 Oct '09 21:29
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    What causes me no end of mirth at the stupidity displayed by those claiming that they can perfectly read the biblical entrails dropped in the dust at their feet is the sheer fact of the mutability of language itself and the near impossibility of deciphering the texts of your own language let alone a language both foreign and dead. Imagine someone from th ...[text shortened]... there. Either you are educated enough to appreciate this problem or you are just plain stupid.
    nope, the comparison is not sound for Burns uses many utterances which are simply untranslatable, for he writes in a dialect, this cannot be said of Hebrew and Greek.
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    15 Oct '09 23:41
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Why don't you just admit that there are errors in the bible and take it from there?
    Because there is not one....
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    16 Oct '09 02:01
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Because there is not one....
    You are correct! There are hundreds.
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    16 Oct '09 03:101 edit
    Originally posted by 667joe
    You are correct! There are hundreds.
    So far you're batting two strike outs. Might as well make it three strikes.

    Go for "Another" supposed error.
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    16 Oct '09 05:08
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Because there is not one....
    You are sure that the bible is correct and error free to the letter?

    This thread is about a specific error. Why don't you explain to us all why this is not an error?

    How can Jesus be a descendant from David through Joseph when Jesus and Joseph is not biologically related?
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    16 Oct '09 07:03
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Google it.
    are you a moron? you start a thread by making a claim, you offer no proof or anything to suport your claim and you ask ME to google proof to support YOUR argument?

    that's your job. until you do your job, this thread is just spam.
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    16 Oct '09 07:10
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Unless you ever grasp the fact that the Bible was inspired by God and was pinned by men as a secretary would write what was told by their superior, you'll never get it.
    So what you think is a contradiction is not if you would do more research and not simply react.
    But if your looking to discredit the Bible then you'll come up with something no matter what anyone says.
    dude, an atheist would have problem with the whole "god dictates, humans are secretary" issue. you must argue your claim.

    even i have issues. god told the jews to go around killing anything that isn't circumsized. and then jesus came along and asked us to play nice. that is a contradiction. the gospels are another example: they basically say the same thing about the same event yet they are different. what is god trying to do, confuse us?

    now don't you think that some jews writing the bible would add some of their own tidbits? some doodz writing their gospels added their own view on issues?
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    16 Oct '09 07:40
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    excuse me, do not add injury to insult, nor betray your lack of knowledge of my beliefs, i do not hold that scripture dictates that Christ was God, are you following, therefore what does your assertion amount to now....
    OK. My mistake. But surely you at least believe that Joseph was not Jesus' father? Or is there another Biblical error?
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    16 Oct '09 21:39
    Does it really take this long for someone to pull out the relevant verses and dispose of the myth? Here are the two genealogies of Jesus:

    He was the son, as was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,
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    the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
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    the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai,
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    the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda,
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    the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri,
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    the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
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    the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi,
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    the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
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    the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 13
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    the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon,
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    the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah,
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    the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
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    the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah,
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    the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
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    the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan,
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    the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

    http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke3.htm

    The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
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    Abraham became the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers.
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    Judah became the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar. Perez became the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram,
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    Ram the father of Amminadab. Amminadab became the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,
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    Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab. Boaz became the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth. Obed became the father of Jesse,
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    Jesse the father of David the king. David became the father of Solomon, whose mother had been the wife of Uriah.
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    3 Solomon became the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asaph.
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    Asaph became the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, Joram the father of Uzziah.
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    Uzziah became the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah.
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    Hezekiah became the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amos, 4 Amos the father of Josiah.
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    Josiah became the father of Jechoniah and his brothers at the time of the Babylonian exile.
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    After the Babylonian exile, Jechoniah became the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
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    Zerubbabel the father of Abiud. Abiud became the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor,
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    Azor the father of Zadok. Zadok became the father of Achim, Achim the father of Eliud,
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    Eliud the father of Eleazar. Eleazar became the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob,
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    Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Of her was born Jesus who is called the Messiah.
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    Thus the total number of generations from Abraham to David is fourteen generations; from David to the Babylonian exile, fourteen generations; from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah, fourteen generations. 5

    http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew1.htm

    Neither genealogy claims that Jesus was the descendent of David. Luke adds the qualifier 'so people thought' and Matthew traces the lineage through Mary and then to David. So Jesus' claim to descendency is through his mother's marriage.

    It is probably best not to read these as historical facts. There are contradictions between the two genealogies. Luke claims the Davidic ancestry through the prophet Nathan, son of David, while Matthew claims it through King Solomon. These are likely symbolic. Luke emphasises the prophetic nature of Jesus (so crowds often shout 'a great prophet is among us'😉; Matthew however wants to emphasise Jesus' royalty (because Matthew includes the most teachings on the Kingdom of God.)
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    19 Oct '09 18:544 edits
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    Does it really take this long for someone to pull out the relevant verses and dispose of the myth? Here are the two genealogies of Jesus:

    He was the son, as was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,
    24
    the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
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    the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, th asise Jesus' royalty (because Matthew includes the most teachings on the Kingdom of God.)
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    There are contradictions between the two genealogies. Luke claims the Davidic ancestry through the prophet Nathan, son of David,
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    Nathan mentioned by Luke is Nathan the prophet that was sent to rebuke David about his adultery?

    I'll have to double check that. It doesn't sound right. I could be wrong though.
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