Rebuttal By Synonym™ is too often nothing more than a rhetorical gimmick.
We're on a Spirituality Forum talking about things like religion and faith. [Not my words in these definitions...]
Faith: a strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or Gods.
Faith [defined above] is not equivalent to "faith" in this sentence: "I have faith in Colchester United's ability to haul themselves up and out of the relegation zone." Discussion of that "faith" belongs on a sports forum.
Religion [defined above] is not equivalent to "religion" in this sentence: "Stamp collecting is not the religion it once was in the era before electronic mail." Discussion of that "religion" belongs on a philately forum.
@fmf saidI feel your pain. There is a lack of precise thought here. It is common for people to end up 'talking past' one another.
Rebuttal By Synonym™ is too often nothing more than a rhetorical gimmick.
We're on a Spirituality Forum talking about things like religion and faith. [Not my words in these definitions...]
Faith: a strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling pow ...[text shortened]... was in the era before electronic mail." Discussion of that "religion" belongs on a philately forum.
Blantantly and unashamedly religious Atheists celebrating their sacred belief.
In fact they seemed to have reasoned "If you can't beat them, join them."
Or at least they imitate "religious" folk with Atheist "churches".
The godless church and the atheists taking the US by storm
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@sonship saidLet such atheists come here to this forum and declare that they have a "religion" if that is the case, and let them argue why their "religion" is a religion in the same way as your religion is a religion.
Blatantly and unashamedly religious Atheists celebrating their sacred belief.
I think they will just make themselves sound silly and will be deploying the Appeal To Synonym rhetoric simply to muddy the pond for their own discursive reasons just like you do.
Let such atheists come here to this forum and declare that they have a "religion" if that is the case, and let them argue why their "religion" is a religion in the same way as your religion is a religion.
Sounds like a rather self important ultimatum. Are you suggesting they need
to get your permission to start "churches" and be sanctimonius about thier godless religious services?
@FMF
Playing the "low integrity" card on me doesn't do much for your denial that atheists are imitating religion as much as they please in some places.
@sonship saidYou insinuating that any of the non-believers you are talking to here is "unashamedly religious", or that they are "celebrating" their "sacred" belief, is low-quality, disingenuous discourse, sonship. And you know it. That's why your integrity is questioned.
Playing the "low integrity" card on me doesn't do much for your denial that atheists are imitating religion as much as they please in some places.
@FMF
Intolerant much huh?
Better start a movement of intolerant anti-religious atheist agnostic/atheists (leaning sometimes toward deism).
@FMF
You need a few more quotation marks maybe.
Atheists in prison have argued that they are entitled to rights of other religious prisoners. The recognition that Humanism / Atheism is a religion. ACLU argues so.
That's the American Civil Liberties Union.
Do Atheist Prisoners Have Rights?
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@sonship saidHow so? I would be happy to welcome such "religious atheists" here to discuss their use of the words "religion" and "religion", if that is indeed how they describe themselves. Being happy to discuss their stance here on this forum is hardly a sign of "intolerance" on my part, sonship.
Intolerant much huh?
@sonship saidWell, I don't think atheism is a religion and I don't see what benefit it is to people on this forum - talking about things like religion - if we pretend that a lack of belief or a belief that there is no God or gods corresponds in any useful way to this definition of religion: "...the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or Gods."
Atheists in prison have argued that they are entitled to rights of other religious prisoners. The recognition that Humanism / Atheism is a religion. ACLU argues so.
@FMF
Its obvious that you look down you nose at them as second class atheists.
LIke "More Atheistic Than Thou" self righteousness.
Let them come here and getr past you saying they want to have an atheist church and services absolutely imitating Bible Belt congregations.
You are sounding like the Pope already FMF.