1. Standard memberDasa
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    Could science finally be catching up to what the Vedas have been saying for eternity?

    The following article is something from the science people..............

    Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate ourselves with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests that death is not the terminal event we think.

    One well-known aspect of quantum physics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation, the “many-worlds” interpretation, states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the ‘multiverse&rsquo😉. A new scientific theory – called biocentrism – refines these ideas. There are an infinite number of universes, and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death does not exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Although individual bodies are destined to self-destruct, the alive feeling – the ‘Who am I?’- is just a 20-watt fountain of energy operating in the brain. But this energy doesn’t go away at death. One of the surest axioms of science is that energy never dies; it can neither be created nor destroyed. But does this energy transcend from one world to the other?

    Consider an experiment that was recently published in the journal Science showing that scientists could retroactively change something that had happened in the past. Particles had to decide how to behave when they hit a beam splitter. Later on, the experimenter could turn a second switch on or off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle did in the past. Regardless of the choice you, the observer, make, it is you who will experience the outcomes that will result. The linkages between these various histories and universes transcend our ordinary classical ideas of space and time. Think of the 20-watts of energy as simply holo-projecting either this or that result onto a screen. Whether you turn the second beam splitter on or off, it’s still the same battery or agent responsible for the projection.

    According to Biocentrism, space and time are not the hard objects we think. Wave your hand through the air – if you take everything away, what’s left? Nothing. The same thing applies for time. You can’t see anything through the bone that surrounds your brain. Everything you see and experience right now is a whirl of information occurring in your mind. Space and time are simply the tools for putting everything together.

    Death does not exist in a timeless, spaceless world. In the end, even Einstein admitted, “Now Besso” (an old friend) “has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us…know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.” Immortality doesn’t mean a perpetual existence in time without end, but rather resides outside of time altogether.

    This was clear with the death of my sister Christine. After viewing her body at the hospital, I went out to speak with family members. Christine’s husband – Ed – started to sob uncontrollably. For a few moments I felt like I was transcending the provincialism of time. I thought about the 20-watts of energy, and about experiments that show a single particle can pass through two holes at the same time. I could not dismiss the conclusion: Christine was both alive and dead, outside of time.

    Christine had had a hard life. She had finally found a man that she loved very much. My younger sister couldn’t make it to her wedding because she had a card game that had been scheduled for several weeks. My mother also couldn’t make the wedding due to an important engagement she had at the Elks Club. The wedding was one of the most important days in Christine’s life. Since no one else from our side of the family showed, Christine asked me to walk her down the aisle to give her away.

    Soon after the wedding, Christine and Ed were driving to the dream house they had just bought when their car hit a patch of black ice. She was thrown from the car and landed in a banking of snow.

    “Ed,” she said “I can’t feel my leg.”

    She never knew that her liver had been ripped in half and blood was rushing into her peritoneum.

    After the death of his son, Emerson wrote “Our life is not so much threatened as our perception. I grieve that grief can teach me nothing, nor carry me one step into real nature.”

    Whether it’s flipping the switch for the Science experiment, or turning the driving wheel ever so slightly this way or that way on black-ice, it’s the 20-watts of energy that will experience the result. In some cases the car will swerve off the road, but in other cases the car will continue on its way to my sister’s dream house.

    Christine had recently lost 100 pounds, and Ed had bought her a surprise pair of diamond earrings. It’s going to be hard to wait, but I know Christine is going to look fabulous in them the next time I see her.

    Robert Lanza M.D.
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    10 Oct '12 04:34
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Could science finally be catching up to what the Vedas have been saying for eternity?

    The following article is something from the science people..............

    Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate ourselves with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests that death i ...[text shortened]... I know Christine is going to look fabulous in them the next time I see her.

    Robert Lanza M.D.
    “Ed,” she said “I can’t feel my leg.”
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    10 Oct '12 06:071 edit
    Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
    “Ed,” she said “I can’t feel my leg.”
    "You shouldn't sit on the lav playing angry birds for so long" Ed shouted down the long corridor with a chuckle. The smile drained rapidly from his face as he slid back to the kitchen.

    Clearing away the remains of the quail dish he had prepared for Christine earlier, Ed wondered if he had fed his own little angry birds enough hemlock seeds the day before.
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    10 Oct '12 08:11
    So reality is a hologram predicated on to the ether, and our real selves are stored somewhere at the edge of space. Also because there is no time we live out an infinity of of decisions in multiple universes all at once. Now this is a Grand design indeed. Its purpose can only be to gather every possible experience from your existence. Maybe thats why we sometimes feel that the chemistry in our brains never really give us a choice about whether to eat an apple or a banana. What i mean is that you already know which one you want. maybe the other you is choosing the other.
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    10 Oct '12 12:43
    Originally posted by NOTGATE
    So reality is a hologram predicated on to the ether, and our real selves are stored somewhere at the edge of space. Also because there is no time we live out an infinity of of decisions in multiple universes all at once. Now this is a Grand design indeed. Its purpose can only be to gather every possible experience from your existence. Maybe thats why we some ...[text shortened]... t i mean is that you already know which one you want. maybe the other you is choosing the other.
    Irrelevant, even if true, as our perception of time is linear.
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    10 Oct '12 15:09
    Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
    Irrelevant, even if true, as our perception of time is linear.
    relevant, all pieces of a system must be known to accurately anticipate the future.
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    10 Oct '12 15:162 edits
    Originally posted by NOTGATE
    relevant, all pieces of a system must be known to accurately anticipate the future.
    Not true. Counter example: I anticipate, that in the future, someone else will post something in these forums (I know neither who will post, when they'll post, nor what they'll post).
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    10 Oct '12 16:15
    Originally posted by Agerg
    Not true. Counter example: I anticipate, that in the future, someone else will post something in these forums (I know neither who will post, when they'll post, nor what they'll post).
    I concur.
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    10 Oct '12 16:50
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Could science finally be catching up to what the Vedas have been saying for eternity?

    The following article is something from the science people..............

    Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate ourselves with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests that death i ...[text shortened]... I know Christine is going to look fabulous in them the next time I see her.

    Robert Lanza M.D.
    Here is a rebuttal to that whole universe is conscious thing:

    http://nirmukta.com/2009/12/14/biocentrism-demystified-a-response-to-deepak-chopra-and-robert-lanzas-notion-of-a-conscious-universe/
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    10 Oct '12 19:562 edits
    Originally posted by Agerg
    Not true. Counter example: I anticipate, that in the future, someone else will post something in these forums (I know neither who will post, when they'll post, nor what they'll post).
    How very inaccurate of you. True, but very general wouldn't you say. How about actually predicting something we don't know. You know there is an internet and you know that posts go up round the clock everyday. All the system components you would require to predict that mate.
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    11 Oct '12 03:36
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Here is a rebuttal to that whole universe is conscious thing:

    http://nirmukta.com/2009/12/14/biocentrism-demystified-a-response-to-deepak-chopra-and-robert-lanzas-notion-of-a-conscious-universe/
    Seems like more evidence a creator God must have done it. 😏

    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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    11 Oct '12 03:464 edits
    Originally posted by NOTGATE
    How very inaccurate of you. True, but very general wouldn't you say. How about actually predicting something we don't know. You know there is an internet and you know that posts go up round the clock everyday. All the system components you would require to predict that mate.
    Well I didn't know whether the owners of this site would go, or had gone bankrupt rendering them incapable of keeping the servers running for this site (via which the forums would die). As such I was lacking at least one element from the set of all things that factor into the likelyhood of seeing another post.

    That's all I have to do with a "for all" type statement - I just need to cook up a counter-example (and in this case simply wait until the desired conflict with your assertion occurs).

    Of course, if you absolutely, positively, no questions asked have to win this argument, then perhaps you would like to rephrase your original assertion and make it a tautology! indeed to that end may I suggest:

    relevant, all pieces of a system [which for any one of them to be lacking would make it impossible to accurately anticipate the future] must be known to accurately anticipate the future.?

    Hope this helps :]
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    11 Oct '12 09:18
    Originally posted by Agerg
    Well I didn't know whether the owners of this site would go, or had gone bankrupt rendering them incapable of keeping the servers running for this site (via which the forums would die). As such I was lacking [b]at least one element from the set of all things that factor into the likelyhood of seeing another post.

    That's all I have to do with a "for all" ...[text shortened]... te the future] must be known to accurately anticipate the future.[/i]?

    Hope this helps :][/b]
    Yeah think i'll mark that one down as 1 - 0
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