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07 Dec '12 15:57
Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't seem to understand that Mr. Gates worked his way up to where he had much money. He payed the government taxes on his earnings during that time and he has the right to do what he wants with the rest of the money he earned.

The Democrates in the USA believe it is not thief to take extra money from a group of people who have been successful and ha ...[text shortened]... omise to give them the most, because they would rather not have to work hard for a good living.
you already have one of the lowest paying welfare systems in the develop world. what makes you think your democrats are obsessed with giving the poor money? your countries track record shows neither party do.
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07 Dec '12 16:08
Originally posted by stellspalfie
you already have one of the lowest paying welfare systems in the develop world. what makes you think your democrats are obsessed with giving the poor money? your countries track record shows neither party do.
That just shows how little you know.
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07 Dec '12 16:13
Originally posted by RJHinds
That just shows how little you know.
enlighten me.
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07 Dec '12 16:27
Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't seem to understand that Mr. Gates worked his way up to where he had much money. He payed the government taxes on his earnings during that time and he has the right to do what he wants with the rest of the money he earned.

The Democrates in the USA believe it is not thief to take extra money from a group of people who have been successful and ha ...[text shortened]... omise to give them the most, because they would rather not have to work hard for a good living.
it is funny how the most devout christians are so opposed to giving money to the poor.

but it is ok as long as you believe god killed everyone on earth at one time, rather than help them better themselves. which it turns out, is exactly what he did when he sent jesus, to help people better themselves.

so let's recap.
retarded horrible story about genocide: literally true.
jesus urging people to give to charity and democrats doing exactly that: socialism, thievery.
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07 Dec '12 16:48
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
it is funny how the most devout christians are so opposed to giving money to the poor.

but it is ok as long as you believe god killed everyone on earth at one time, rather than help them better themselves. which it turns out, is exactly what he did when he sent jesus, to help people better themselves.

so let's recap.
retarded horrible story about ...[text shortened]...
jesus urging people to give to charity and democrats doing exactly that: socialism, thievery.
Its really interesting how this idea has developed in America, i often wonder about it
myself, if Christians here seem to be more charitable, i dunno.
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08 Dec '12 01:02
Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't seem to understand that Mr. Gates worked his way up to where he had much money. He payed the government taxes on his earnings during that time and he has the right to do what he wants with the rest of the money he earned.

The Democrates in the USA believe it is not thief to take extra money from a group of people who have been successful and ha ...[text shortened]... omise to give them the most, because they would rather not have to work hard for a good living.
The biggest redistribution of wealth ever seen is still happening. Starting in 1986 with the "Tax Reform Act of 1986", the redistribution from poor to rich started in earnest, and it is still going on today.

Democrats trying to get the rich to pay their fair share is not the same as republicans trying to get the poor and middle class to just hand over what little money they have left. The amazing thing is how remarkably successful they've been. They even get half the middle class to actually believe in the BS they put forward as their "political ideology", which is really only a distraction meant to hide their true motives. And half the middle class just continues to hand it over (and tries to work it so the rest of us has to do the same), while touting their "ideology" and doing their dirty work for them.
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08 Dec '12 01:05
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
it is funny how the most devout christians are so opposed to giving money to the poor.

but it is ok as long as you believe god killed everyone on earth at one time, rather than help them better themselves. which it turns out, is exactly what he did when he sent jesus, to help people better themselves.

so let's recap.
retarded horrible story about ...[text shortened]...
jesus urging people to give to charity and democrats doing exactly that: socialism, thievery.
You forgot to mention conservatives turning the "love of money" into a virtue.
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08 Dec '12 10:552 edits
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
it is funny how the most devout christians are so opposed to giving money to the poor.

but it is ok as long as you believe god killed everyone on earth at one time, rather than help them better themselves. which it turns out, is exactly what he did when he sent jesus, to help people better themselves.

so let's recap.
retarded horrible story about ...[text shortened]...
jesus urging people to give to charity and democrats doing exactly that: socialism, thievery.
I don't know any Christians that are opposed to giving money to the poor. What some Christians oppose is promoting a lazy attitude.

For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies.

(2 Thessalonians 3:10-11 NKJV)

[b]“Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’

“But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.

‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

(Matthew 25:24-30 NKJV)
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08 Dec '12 11:151 edit
Originally posted by Suzianne
The biggest redistribution of wealth ever seen is still happening. Starting in 1986 with the "Tax Reform Act of 1986", the redistribution from poor to rich started in earnest, and it is still going on today.

Democrats trying to get the rich to pay their fair share is not the same as republicans trying to get the poor and middle class to just hand over w has to do the same), while touting their "ideology" and doing their dirty work for them.
You continue to have a distorted view of Democrates and Republicans. It is the Democrates that continually want to tax and spend in order to keep those that have less under their thumb. The Republicans want everyone to be treated equally so that all that want to work can maximize their potential.

If you consider the parable of the talents that Jesus told, I do not see how you can say the Republicans do not wish to follow the teachings of Jesus.
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08 Dec '12 13:39
Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't know any Christians that are opposed to giving money to the poor. What some Christians oppose is promoting a lazy attitude.

[b]For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. ...[text shortened]... to the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

(Matthew 25:24-30 NKJV)[/b]
spare me the "he has 2 arms and 2 legs he should work damnit" bull crap.

you can't say that crap with a straight face in a country with more than 0% unemployment rate. do you see programs on the tv of companies from all areas of activities complaining that they can't seem to fill their open positions?

there are numerous other reasons why people don't work besides being "lazy"

many will not hire you if you don't have a stable residence. many will not hire you without relocating across the country, many will not hire you if you have missing teeth or a medical condition from being on the streets for 5 years or because they couldn't pay for medical bills because of your appalling medical system.

retraining needs time and money. an unemployed person needs time and money. these come from the rich. the ones that have more than they need give to people that don't have anything, because the tables could be turned in the future. this is called a social contract, i give up some liberties, i work for a society and in exchange the society provides security.

the talent parable is a metaphor for god's word, how you should "sow" it into the world, it doesn't praise capitalism. thessalonians is to be applied in a communist society (a system you don't agree with), where work is provided for everybody. then you may refuse help to someone who absolutely refuses to work.
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08 Dec '12 13:40
Originally posted by RJHinds
You continue to have a distorted view of Democrates and Republicans. It is the Democrates that continually want to tax and spend in order to keep those that have less under their thumb. The Republicans want everyone to be treated equally so that all that want to work can maximize their potential.

If you consider the parable of the talents that Jesus told, I do not see how you can say the Republicans do not wish to follow the teachings of Jesus.
if you consider the parable of the talents as you do, you are ignorant. or simply like to twist anything you find in the bible to suit your own needs.
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08 Dec '12 18:161 edit
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
spare me the "he has 2 arms and 2 legs he should work damnit" bull crap.

you can't say that crap with a straight face in a country with more than 0% unemployment rate. do you see programs on the tv of companies from all areas of activities complaining that they can't seem to fill their open positions?

there are numerous other reasons why people don or everybody. then you may refuse help to someone who absolutely refuses to work.
It is one thing to give of one's own free will to help those in need. I do not disagree with that. If a person wants to give of his abundance to help those in need then that is good. What I am against is taking from those that have more to give to those with less. That is bad and is Democratic thief.
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08 Dec '12 18:24
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
if you consider the parable of the talents as you do, you are ignorant. or simply like to twist anything you find in the bible to suit your own needs.
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09 Dec '12 15:10
Originally posted by RJHinds
It is one thing to give of one's own free will to help those in need. I do not disagree with that. If a person wants to give of his abundance to help those in need then that is good. What I am against is taking from those that have more to give to those with less. That is bad and is Democratic thief.
do you give of your own free will? if the democrats would say that everyone giving exactly what those taxes would amount to to charity, would you do it? or are you simply a hypocrite?