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    20 Jul '06 08:13
    Is the soul concious and if so is it the same conciousness as what we percieve or another one? When we die does our conciousness at the time of death continue with the soul?
    If not, is there any motivation at all to get your soul into heaven?
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    20 Jul '06 08:51
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    When we die does our conciousness at the time of death continue with the soul?
    People whom have experienced near death (NDE) would tell you that they left their bodies and viewed the whole thing from above (or found themselves in a tunnel with a bright light at the end).

    Science can explain this as the brain switching channel when it realises all natural hope of survival is lost. This "dream" will be the last thing switched off and then you're dead. It cannot explain how come some of those NDE cases have reported details about the scene of the accident that they couldn't possibly have known about since their eyes were closed and hearing is not enough to derive that information (such as the colour of a witness' jacket, or where everyone stood in relation to each other).

    What do I believe? I believe that NDE is just the brain switching off conciousness when it serves no purpose anymore, and that those who remember details are hoaxes (perhaps given information by the interviewer). I believe the soul is merely a hap-hazard construct of the brain and when we die we really die.

    http://skepdic.com/nde.html
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    20 Jul '06 09:13
    Originally posted by stocken
    People whom have experienced near death (NDE) would tell you that they left their bodies and viewed the whole thing from above (or found themselves in a tunnel with a bright light at the end).

    Science can explain this as the brain switching channel when it realises all natural hope of survival is lost. This "dream" will be the last thing switched off and ...[text shortened]... hazard construct of the brain and when we die we really die.

    http://skepdic.com/nde.html
    You might be a little naïve in your prejudiced rejection of NDE's:

    http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html
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    20 Jul '06 09:20
    Originally posted by Halitose
    You might be a little naïve in your prejudiced rejection of NDE's:

    http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html
    La-la-la-la! I can't hear you! La-la-la-la-la!!!

    How do you know that your source is reliable? HA!
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    20 Jul '06 09:25
    Originally posted by stocken
    La-la-la-la! I can't hear you! La-la-la-la-la!!!

    How do you know that your source is reliable? HA!
    I don't; but at least I'm not summarily rejecting the idea without giving it any consideration or scrutinizing the evidence -- which is what you seem to be doing.
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    20 Jul '06 09:35
    Originally posted by Halitose
    I don't; but at least I'm not summarily rejecting the idea without giving it any consideration or scrutinizing the evidence -- which is what you seem to be doing.
    I don't. I've given it a lot of thought, and read many articles on the subject. Wouldn't call myself an expert (on any subject really), but I know what I believe. I never claimed to know.
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    20 Jul '06 09:48
    Originally posted by stocken
    I don't. I've given it a lot of thought, and read many articles on the subject. Wouldn't call myself an expert (on any subject really), but I know what I believe. I never claimed to know.
    Be that as it may, your counterarguments given in your first post seemed a little convenient and IMO tenuous.
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    20 Jul '06 09:55
    Originally posted by Halitose
    ...your first post seemed a little convenient and IMO tenuous.
    Yes, but so is my reading comprehension sometimes. 😀
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    20 Jul '06 09:58
    Originally posted by stocken
    Yes, but so is my reading comprehension sometimes. 😀
    Fair enough. 😉
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    20 Jul '06 13:42
    Originally posted by Halitose
    You might be a little naïve in your prejudiced rejection of NDE's:

    http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html
    I'd say any site that claims this:

    Astrological concepts have been proven scientifically.

    Serial killers can be identified through their astrological birth chart.


    should be read with a pinch of salt.
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