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    06 Apr '15 14:21
    It would seem to make sense. Perhaps this entity created sin in order that his biological creations would actually do something, rather than sit around being good. You have to admit, that all the interesting stuff happens when good and evil conflict. It could also explain the wide range of treatment Humans have received from him/it/she through biblical history.
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    07 Apr '15 01:50
    Originally posted by OdBod
    It would seem to make sense. Perhaps this entity created sin in order that his biological creations would actually do something, rather than sit around being good. You have to admit, that all the interesting stuff happens when good and evil conflict. It could also explain the wide range of treatment Humans have received from him/it/she through biblical history.
    In the Book of Job they are definitely presented as separate entities. It's worth a read, God gives permission to Satan to take everything he has from him:
    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
    Book of Job, 1:6-12
    Authorized King James Version

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+1&version=AKJV
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    07 Apr '15 09:13
    Originally posted by OdBod
    You have to admit, that all the interesting stuff happens when good and evil conflict.
    No, I don't have to admit any such thing.
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    07 Apr '15 13:52
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    In the Book of Job they are definitely presented as separate entities. It's worth a read, God gives permission to Satan to take everything he has from him:
    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the L ...[text shortened]... zed King James Version

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+1&version=AKJV
    That was interesting DT thank you , on the basis of that passage, could it be argued that god was at least complicit in the creation of sin?
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    07 Apr '15 13:57
    The Evolution of Satan in the Bible: https://youtu.be/j-gbOnWj6Mw
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    07 Apr '15 19:55
    Originally posted by C Hess
    The Evolution of Satan in the Bible: https://youtu.be/j-gbOnWj6Mw
    There is the revealing of Satan in the Holy Bible. No evolution.
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    07 Apr '15 20:21
    And the Easter Bunny is really Santa in a different suit!
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    07 Apr '15 20:48
    Originally posted by OdBod
    It would seem to make sense. Perhaps this entity created sin in order that his biological creations would actually do something, rather than sit around being good. You have to admit, that all the interesting stuff happens when good and evil conflict. It could also explain the wide range of treatment Humans have received from him/it/she through biblical history.
    The notion that 'God and the Devil could be the same entity' is far from new.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_as_the_Devil
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    07 Apr '15 21:11
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The notion that 'God and the Devil could be the same entity' is far from new.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_as_the_Devil
    Duchess, if all topics previously discussed were off limits,I have a feeling the forums would slowly fall silent. Oh for a truly original thought! 🙂
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    07 Apr '15 21:551 edit
    Originally posted by OdBod
    Duchess, if all topics previously discussed were off limits,I have a feeling the forums would slowly fall silent. Oh for a truly original thought! 🙂
    I did not say it's 'off limits'. I just advised you not to 'reinvent the wheel'.

    My general advice is that discussions would be improved if more people
    could take the time to read what's already been written (preferably by
    established philosophers) before creating new threads in blissful ignorance.
    Many of the most involved threads in his forum seem to take place at a
    level no more profound (often less) than an undergraduate philosophy class.
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    07 Apr '15 22:04
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    I did not write it's 'off limits'. I just advised you not to 'reinvent the wheel'.
    In order not to " reinvent the wheel" should I only suggest original topics? A hard task don't you think? Perhaps revisiting old topics may be of value?
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    07 Apr '15 22:071 edit
    Originally posted by OdBod
    In order not to " reinvent the wheel" should I only suggest original topics?
    A hard task don't you think? Perhaps revisiting old topics may be of value?
    What I would suggest is creating a thread with something like:
    "Here's what these established philosophers think about this subject.
    And here's what I think about it. Now tell me what you think about it."
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    07 Apr '15 22:21
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    There is the revealing of Satan in the Holy Bible. No evolution.
    Apparently the idea of satan formed incrementally over time. Did you watch the vid?
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    07 Apr '15 22:221 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    What I would suggest is creating a thread with something like:
    "Here's what these established philosophers think about this subject.
    And here's what I think about it. Now tell me what you think about it."
    Unfortunately I am not as eloquent and as well read as you Duchess, and I also have loads of other things to do (wife, dogs, fishing,golf, business etc), so please excuse my crudely formed threads.
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    07 Apr '15 23:40
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    I did not say it's 'off limits'. I just advised you not to 'reinvent the wheel'.

    My general advice is ......
    People have already heard this advice.
    Anything new?
    😛
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