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    Originally posted by Sratpam
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    how do you define a miracle?
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    Miracles which God pertect someone or does some thing miraculous.
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    19 May '05 07:17
    Originally posted by Sratpam
    Miracles which God pertect someone or does some thing miraculous.
    if one were to take the bible as literal truth and inerrant, then i assume that he would have to believe in the types of miracles you are referring to.

    i personally do not take this view that the bible is literally true, and i haven't experienced anything that would lead me to believe the types of miracles to which you refer actually occur.

    all of the good, 'miraculous' things that i have observed that happen to people can be rationalized back to either the hardwork of those people or others around them or simply what i would term good luck (good timing, coincidence, etc). it is not clear to me that god had a hand in any of them.
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    Hot Chocolate believe in miracles. See....

    http://www.weddingvendors.com/music/lyrics/song-246.html
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    Yes, but I don't need to capitalize them in order to do so.

    Next question!
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    19 May '05 17:03
    Originally posted by LemonJello
    if one were to take the bible as literal truth and inerrant, then i assume that he would have to believe in the types of miracles you are referring to.

    i personally do not take this view that the bible is literally true, and i haven't experienced anything that would lead me to believe the types of miracles to which you refer actually occur.

    all of ...[text shortened]... luck (good timing, coincidence, etc). it is not clear to me that god had a hand in any of them.
    Since I believe that the Bible is true, and God is the creator, then believing in the miracles recorded in the Bible is easy. An omnipotent being who is capable of creating matter and time as we perceive it, can easily violate the rules of our empirical reality (the laws of physics, Newtons laws) without violating logic.

    However, I am very skeptical of modern day miracles. I think the supernatural events ceased shortly after Christ returned to heaven. I could be wrong, but I think God acts by normal means to perform things we now call miracles. So the only ones I am sure about are the ones recorded in the Bible.
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    19 May '05 17:502 edits
    Originally posted by Coletti
    However, I am very skeptical of modern day miracles. I think the supernatural events ceased shortly after Christ returned to heaven. I could be wrong, but I think God acts by normal means to perform things we now call miracles. So the only ones I am sure about are the ones recorded in the Bible.
    Have you ever thought about why this is? Why did God suddenly choose to not reveal himself through miracles which seemed to be commonplace in biblical times?
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    Originally posted by Coletti
    Since I believe that the Bible is true
    Who's up for running a few laps with me...

    Why do you believe the Bible is true?

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    19 May '05 18:23
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Have you ever thought about why this is? Why did God suddenly choose to not reveal himself through miracles which seemed to be commonplace in biblical times?
    I don't think the purpose of the miracles we to reveal God to anyone. I think the miracles were always done for the benefit of those who already believed, to demonstrate God's power or mercy to those who have faith, not to reveal himself to unbelievers. Christ specifically refused to perform miracles for the Pharisees when they asked for a demonstration or a sign of his power.
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    Long or short answer?
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    Originally posted by Coletti
    I don't think the purpose of the miracles we to reveal God to anyone. I think the miracles were always done for the benefit of those who already believed, to demonstrate God's power or mercy to those who have faith, not to reveal himself to unbelievers. Christ specifically refused to perform miracles for the Pharisees when they asked for a demonstration or a sign of his power.
    Who said anything about unbelievers? πŸ˜•

    You haven't answered my question unless you are stating that you believe miracles are still happening but only in the eyes of his believers, however you have already stated your skepticism in that respect.

    Want another shot at answering?
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    19 May '05 18:40
    Originally posted by darvlay
    Who said anything about unbelievers? πŸ˜•

    You haven't answered my question unless you are stating that you believe miracles are still happening but only in the eyes of his believers, however you have already stated your skepticism in that respect.

    Want another shot at answering?
    You said why does not God "reveal" himself by miracles.

    Why they have stopped? I don't have a definitive answer. I think it is because He sent the Holy Spirit to the believers, and the miracles have served their purposes.
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    I believe in miracles.
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    19 May '05 19:43
    Originally posted by ivanhoe

    I believe in miracles.
    Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart
    How the music can free her, whenever it starts
    And it's magic, if the music is groovy
    It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie

    I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul
    But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll

    If you believe in magic don't bother to choose
    If it's jug band music or rhythm and blues
    Just go and listen it'll start with a smile
    It won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try
    Your feet start tapping and you can't seem to find
    How you got there, so just blow your mind

    If you believe in magic, come along with me
    We'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me
    And maybe, if the music is right
    I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night
    And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see
    How the magic's in the music and the music's in me

    Yeah, do you believe in magic
    Yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul

    Believe in the magic of rock and roll
    Believe in the magic that can set you free
    Ohh, talking 'bout magic

    Do you believe like I believe
    Do you believe in magic
    Do you believe like I believe
    Do you believe,
    believer
    Do you believe like I believe
    Do you believe in magic
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