19 May 05
Originally posted by Sratpamif one were to take the bible as literal truth and inerrant, then i assume that he would have to believe in the types of miracles you are referring to.
Miracles which God pertect someone or does some thing miraculous.
i personally do not take this view that the bible is literally true, and i haven't experienced anything that would lead me to believe the types of miracles to which you refer actually occur.
all of the good, 'miraculous' things that i have observed that happen to people can be rationalized back to either the hardwork of those people or others around them or simply what i would term good luck (good timing, coincidence, etc). it is not clear to me that god had a hand in any of them.
19 May 05
Originally posted by LemonJelloSince I believe that the Bible is true, and God is the creator, then believing in the miracles recorded in the Bible is easy. An omnipotent being who is capable of creating matter and time as we perceive it, can easily violate the rules of our empirical reality (the laws of physics, Newtons laws) without violating logic.
if one were to take the bible as literal truth and inerrant, then i assume that he would have to believe in the types of miracles you are referring to.
i personally do not take this view that the bible is literally true, and i haven't experienced anything that would lead me to believe the types of miracles to which you refer actually occur.
all of ...[text shortened]... luck (good timing, coincidence, etc). it is not clear to me that god had a hand in any of them.
However, I am very skeptical of modern day miracles. I think the supernatural events ceased shortly after Christ returned to heaven. I could be wrong, but I think God acts by normal means to perform things we now call miracles. So the only ones I am sure about are the ones recorded in the Bible.
19 May 05
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Originally posted by ColettiHave you ever thought about why this is? Why did God suddenly choose to not reveal himself through miracles which seemed to be commonplace in biblical times?
However, I am very skeptical of modern day miracles. I think the supernatural events ceased shortly after Christ returned to heaven. I could be wrong, but I think God acts by normal means to perform things we now call miracles. So the only ones I am sure about are the ones recorded in the Bible.
19 May 05
Originally posted by darvlayI don't think the purpose of the miracles we to reveal God to anyone. I think the miracles were always done for the benefit of those who already believed, to demonstrate God's power or mercy to those who have faith, not to reveal himself to unbelievers. Christ specifically refused to perform miracles for the Pharisees when they asked for a demonstration or a sign of his power.
Have you ever thought about why this is? Why did God suddenly choose to not reveal himself through miracles which seemed to be commonplace in biblical times?
19 May 05
Originally posted by ColettiWho said anything about unbelievers? 😕
I don't think the purpose of the miracles we to reveal God to anyone. I think the miracles were always done for the benefit of those who already believed, to demonstrate God's power or mercy to those who have faith, not to reveal himself to unbelievers. Christ specifically refused to perform miracles for the Pharisees when they asked for a demonstration or a sign of his power.
You haven't answered my question unless you are stating that you believe miracles are still happening but only in the eyes of his believers, however you have already stated your skepticism in that respect.
Want another shot at answering?
19 May 05
Originally posted by darvlayYou said why does not God "reveal" himself by miracles.
Who said anything about unbelievers? 😕
You haven't answered my question unless you are stating that you believe miracles are still happening but only in the eyes of his believers, however you have already stated your skepticism in that respect.
Want another shot at answering?
Why they have stopped? I don't have a definitive answer. I think it is because He sent the Holy Spirit to the believers, and the miracles have served their purposes.
19 May 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeDo you believe in magic in a young girl's heart
I believe in miracles.
How the music can free her, whenever it starts
And it's magic, if the music is groovy
It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie
I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul
But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll
If you believe in magic don't bother to choose
If it's jug band music or rhythm and blues
Just go and listen it'll start with a smile
It won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try
Your feet start tapping and you can't seem to find
How you got there, so just blow your mind
If you believe in magic, come along with me
We'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me
And maybe, if the music is right
I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night
And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see
How the magic's in the music and the music's in me
Yeah, do you believe in magic
Yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul
Believe in the magic of rock and roll
Believe in the magic that can set you free
Ohh, talking 'bout magic
Do you believe like I believe
Do you believe in magic
Do you believe like I believe
Do you believe,
believer
Do you believe like I believe
Do you believe in magic