@divegeester
Your three paragraphs tell me that you are preoccupied with thoughts of:
official positions,
automatic lifetime positions of authority,
professional appointment organizationally,
clerical class,
leadership not by example but by official office,
clergy / laity class stratification.
organized religious institutions.
I am not sure how much of this speaks more about the strivings of your own soul in your past.
I have a funny feeling that perhaps your own struggles to "look good to the higher ups" and turf fighting are being projected wildly toward someone else.
@sonship saidYou're lying again. I said I find the concept of an "all-knowing god" abhorrent. Perhaps while you're going through my posts downvoting them in your typically small-minded and childish manner, you could take the time to read them.
@avalanchethecatAbsolutely none of those comments refer in any way to Jesus though. That's the best you could come up with?
You saying the concept of God is "abhorrent" is certainly calling Jesus either mad or a liar or history's greatest charlatan.
He was all about God.
@sonship saidWhat "evil things" have I said? You're making stuff up.
@divegeester
Something like this:
Hey you guys. I mean you Ghost, and you avalanchethecat, and you FMF
"I declare before God and before Satan and before the whole world -
I love and own the Lord Jesus Christ as the one Lord of all, and MY Lord."
Don't you cringe then Divegeester when they speak evil things about your Lord Jesus?
@fmf saidThe question to Dive was -
What "evil things" have I said? You're making stuff up.
Don't you cringe then Divegeester when they speak evil things about your Lord Jesus?
I think you, FMF, agreed with Richard Carrier that maybe Jesus did not exist.
You said that He was executed by the Rome Empire only for being an insurrectionists.
You may argue that that is not an evil thing spoken about Jesus.
Maybe that is debatable. Maybe I would have to go searching your years of atheist comments to find something.
However, my question was doesn't it make Dive who cringe of not about such speaking about Jesus.
At that point he can answer either Yes it does or No it does not.
It certainly makes me cringe.
Jesus who withdrew when that tried to MAKE Him a king, dies for insurrection?
That's not right Pilate WANTED TO RELEASE HIM AND SAW NO FAULT IN HIM.
Then Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him KIng, withdrew again to the mountain, Himself alone." (John 6:15)
Jesus told the nervous Pontius Pilate "My kingdom is not of this world."
You saying Pilate didn't know better?
You are saying the four gospels are lying.
And you misrepresent Jesus own actions and words.
These are all cringe worthy concepts to me.
@FMF
I will take your word for it that you did not agree with Carrier.
I retract that statement if you did not endorse Carrier's concept that maybe
there never existed such a person.
@FMF
Yes. And there are things which make me cringe which are evil IMO.
Here is a man who poured out His life selflessly, caring nothing for Himself.
You may say Jesus was mistaken about Himself and was wrong or crazy to do so.
But to dismiss such as Christ being executed for political sedition I would regard as pretty bad revision of history.
What would you call me saying Abraham Lincoln committed suicide by jumping in front of John Wilke's Booth's pistol?
What would you call me twisting the account of Mahatma Ghandi's assasination by saying he contracted a murderer to knock him off to avoid paying some bills?
I would call this evil propaganda.
And your twisting of the history of Christ's death to the detriment of His
character, I would say was evil speaking about Him.
@sonship saidWhat's odd about you is that you have been discussing things with me for more than a decade and you just superimpose whatever beliefs you want onto me over and over again, whatever suits whatever stuff you happen to be typing out. You are like a bot.
@FMF
I will take your word for it that you did not agree with Carrier.
I retract that statement if you did not endorse Carrier's concept that maybe
there never existed such a person.