@whodey saidwhodey: What am I missing here?
All I hear from the Left is the need to protect the little guy from corporate America and, most importantly, Orange man.
This implies that people are led around like helpless sheep and the corporate evil people are the big bad wolves and the Democrats are the good shepherds.
What am I missing here?
Answer: LOGIC
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@wolfgang59 saidAre you suggesting that you don't need government, and what I mean by that are only Leftists in government you praise, to protect you from the evil wolf like corporations?
whodey: What am I missing here?
Answer: LOGIC
Tell me you don't need those Left wing politicians to save you and the rest of society. If not, why do you seem so adamant in previous threads as to the need for their interventions?
@whodey saidThis is interesting. In all the time I have been here, I cannot recall any Christian ever conceding or stating that "fear of God" and "destruction in hell" was a "motivating factor" for their faith. You are the first.
The Bible plainly states that the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom, and that fear is shunning evil because it is destructive to you. This is also a motivating factor for those of faith, including the ultimate destruction in hell.
Anyway, your fear is not evidence that the God figure you describe exists or that the reason for your fear is real. So, my point about religions being a manifestation of mankind's communal need for governance and about how threats of "destruction in hell" may have developed because of "sociopolitical motivations" still stands.
@whodey saidYou seem to be missing common sense and objectivity .
All I hear from the Left is the need to protect the little guy from corporate America and, most importantly, Orange man.
This implies that people are led around like helpless sheep and the corporate evil people are the big bad wolves and the Democrats are the good shepherds.
What am I missing here?
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@fmf saidIt has been said that fear is the mind killer, a popular line from the book "Dune".
This is interesting. In all the time I have been here, I cannot recall any Christian ever conceding or stating that "fear of God" and "destruction in hell" was a "motivating factor" for their faith. You are the first.
Anyway, your fear is not evidence that the God figure you describe exists or that the reason for your fear is real. So, my point about religions being a manifes ...[text shortened]... ts of "destruction in hell" may have developed because of "sociopolitical motivations" still stands.
And there is truth to that, but fear is also what keeps us alive. We SHOULD be afraid of certain actions that threaten our lives. Those that don't usually live short lives. At the same time irrational fear can go to the extreme and prevent us from living a normal life which can also shorten our lives and make us miserable.
As for those who have no fear, you often find these types of people who climb free style without any safety devices and usually don't live to be very old. They simply don't care. Spiritually there are also people like this I think.
But the fear is not what God will do to us so much as God withdrawing from us. Assuming God is the source of live and love, what are you choosing by withdrawing from him?
@whodey saidDo you accept that your fear is not evidence that the God figure you describe necessarily exists?
It has been said that fear is the mind killer, a popular line from the book "Dune".
And there is truth to that, but fear is also what keeps us alive. We SHOULD be afraid of certain actions that threaten our lives. Those that don't usually live short lives. At the same time irrational fear can go to the extreme and prevent us from living a normal life which can also short ...[text shortened]... rom us. Assuming God is the source of live and love, what are you choosing by withdrawing from him?
Do you accept that the reason for your fear is not necessarily real?
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@fmf saidWe are talking about belief as belief dictates our actions, which is why it is so important.
Do you accept that your fear is not evidence that the God figure you describe necessarily exists?
Do you accept that the reason for your fear is not necessarily real?
I think "fearing" a punishment from the state helps prevent some crime as does those who fear punishment from God.
It's only common sense.
@whodey saidWhat about the two questions I asked you?
We are talking about belief as belief dictates our actions, which is why it is so important.
I think "fearing" a punishment from the state helps prevent some crime as does those who fear punishment from God.
It's only common sense.
@whodey saidDo you fear Brahma?
So fearing God is not an issue for you.
I think for men like Hitler, it was not an issue either.
@whodey saidRe-write that in English and I'll respond.
Are you suggesting that you don't need government, and what I mean by that are only Leftists in government you praise, to protect you from the evil wolf like corporations?