You may not want to read enough to see what God really had in mind in the OT,but here is some of it for those who wanted to see.
Exodus 23:22
(22) But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
Exodus 23:23-24
(23) For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
(24) Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.
Jeremiah 12:14-17
(14) Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them.
(15) And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.
(16) And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
(17) But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.
Deuteronomy 10:17-19
(17) For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
(18) He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
(19) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Please keep in mind that there is a ton of information in the OT. If you want to truly understand, it is all there.
Originally posted by SmoothCowboy"But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD."
You may not want to read enough to see what God really had in mind in the OT,but here is some of it for those who wanted to see.
Exodus 23:22
(22) But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
Exodus 23:23-24
(23) For mine Angel shall go be ...[text shortened]... that there is a ton of information in the OT. If you want to truly understand, it is all there.
My LORD shall kicketh thine ass, heathen!
Originally posted by SmoothCowboyGreat post Smooth. Amen !
You may not want to read enough to see what God really had in mind in the OT,but here is some of it for those who wanted to see.
Exodus 23:22
(22) But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
Exodus 23:23-24
(23) For mine Angel shall go be ...[text shortened]... that there is a ton of information in the OT. If you want to truly understand, it is all there.
God is good?
Just who's doing this judging then? Sounds awfully like the Bastards who voted Forrest Gump a better movie than Pulp Fiction, if you ask me.
Let's take, par example, Noah's arc.
On biblical levels, Noah built a boat, crammed an assortment of animal on board and sailed off into the sunset saving the human race from... uh... something.
However, God told him to build the boat, "Because a great flood is coming to purge you of your...uh.... whatever."
So, God knew about this flood.
Am I right or am I right? GOD KNEW ABOUT THIS FLOOD!
Not only did God know about it, but he actually admits to sending it!
Now, how many people died in that flood?
Hundreds? Thousands? Millions? No matter what the figure, one can assume that many innocent children lost their lives in that little prank!
And what about all the animals? They never did nothin' to no one! And they all had to drown too???
According to me this was an act of mass inter-species genocide! And why? Because God got his bloody knickers in a twist???
I don't know where you come from, but that sure as hell don't look too GOOD to me, sonny boy.
Originally posted by shavixmirI wonder what you would have done in God's place.
God is good?
Just who's doing this judging then? Sounds awfully like the Bastards who voted Forrest Gump a better movie than Pulp Fiction, if you ask me.
Let's take, par example, Noah's arc.
On biblical levels, Noah built a boat, crammed an assortment of animal on board and sailed off into the sunset saving the human race from... uh... something.
...[text shortened]... 't know where you come from, but that sure as hell don't look too GOOD to me, sonny boy.
If you had made everything out of nothing, and it was all yours to do with as you please, and the creatures you created blew snot at you, what would you have done?
Your thinking is muddled by your self centered bias. As a matter of fact, it was your kind that laughed at Noah while he was building the ark. And then the rain came. You won't be laughing when you come face to face with the one that created you.
I know smooth personally. He and I are like night and day. He's a gentleman. He won't bicker with you. I, on the other-hand, will sling mud with you all day.
Originally posted by josephwMy self centred bias? Do you think I'm that old I was there?
I wonder what you would have done in God's place.
If you had made everything out of nothing, and it was all yours to do with as you please, and the creatures you created blew snot at you, what would you have done?
Your thinking is muddled by your self centered bias. As a matter of fact, it was your kind that laughed at Noah while he was building the ar ...[text shortened]... gentleman. He won't bicker with you. I, on the other-hand, will sling mud with you all day.
What about the children who didn't do anything? And the animals?
Are you suggesting this was a good deed? That genocide, in which ever form, is justified?
theres more to the Bible than meets the mind.
how can one deny evolution if we concider that all human kind decended from Noah and the other seven.how did we spread around the world and inhabit the most remote places,ie,Tasmania.it has been separated for hundreds of thousands of years if mot more.when gods sons saw that the daughters of man were cute and cuddly and had children with them,what did those children inherit? aborigionals could well be an origional race.
Originally posted by shavixmirCommon'. You must realise you are arguing with yourself when you try to debunk God. I mean. If it were I that was convinced there was no God I wouldn't waste a minute of my time talking to a bunch of diluted freaks.
My self centred bias? Do you think I'm that old I was there?
What about the children who didn't do anything? And the animals?
Are you suggesting this was a good deed? That genocide, in which ever form, is justified?
It just seems to me that to criticize that which I knew didn't exists is somehow a mindless exercise in futility.
As for the innocent children. I honestly don't know. The Bible doesn't exactly give an account of them in the flood. But I will tell you this, and I'm quite certain of it, God loves the children more than we do. Innocent children, when they die, go to be with God forever. How could one think otherwise. They're just innocent children.
God is not a monster, although He may appear to be to the one that hates Him.
Sorry for the accusation about self centeredness. Hell, I'm probably the most self centered person I know to be honest.
Originally posted by josephwIt's like an FFing bad trip listening to you dude!
Common'. You must realise you are arguing with yourself when you try to debunk God. I mean. If it were I that was convinced there was no God I wouldn't waste a minute of my time talking to a bunch of diluted freaks.
It just seems to me that to criticize that which I knew didn't exists is somehow a mindless exercise in futility.
As for the innocent chi ...[text shortened]... self centeredness. Hell, I'm probably the most self centered person I know to be honest.
Take care.
Originally posted by josephwIf I were god and was displeased with the notion of my creations "blowing snot" at me, then methinks I would make creatures who would refrain from doing so. If, however, I created them with the capacity to "blow snot" at me, then why would I be upset when they did so? They're behaving exactly as I designed them to.
I wonder what you would have done in God's place.
If you had made everything out of nothing, and it was all yours to do with as you please, and the creatures you created blew snot at you, what would you have done?
Your thinking is muddled by your self centered bias. As a matter of fact, it was your kind that laughed at Noah while he was building the ar ...[text shortened]... gentleman. He won't bicker with you. I, on the other-hand, will sling mud with you all day.
Originally posted by josephwProblem is, He didn't make everything. According to your own doctrine, it was not all His to do as He pleased.
I wonder what you would have done in God's place.
If you had made everything out of nothing, and it was all yours to do with as you please, and the creatures you created blew snot at you, what would you have done?
Your thinking is muddled by your self centered bias. As a matter of fact, it was your kind that laughed at Noah while he was building the ar ...[text shortened]... gentleman. He won't bicker with you. I, on the other-hand, will sling mud with you all day.
The one who created me - there are actually two who created me. I call them Mom and Dad. I smile when I see them. Not laugh, but smile.
Originally posted by josephwNo you don't. You pretend to, because you think that saying that is a good argument for giving God an excuse for his behaviour. If I told you what I would have done, you would not believe me and certainly would not accept it in your arguement.
I wonder what you would have done in God's place.
Also, what I might have done is irrelevant. You would be the first to admit that I am supposedly not as all loving as God and therefore if God did what I would have done it merely shows that he is as much of a sinner as me. But since what he did was more evil than what I would have done, it shows that he is more evil than me.
So where were you intending to go with that argument anyway?