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    What the Bible says about slavery

    Here are ten passages from the Bible that clearly demonstrate God's position on slavery:

    Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:

    And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised.
    In this passage God understands that people buy other people and, quite obviously, is comfortable with the concept. God wants slaves circumcised in the same way as non-slaves.
    Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:

    The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. Any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him, but a temporary resident and a hired worker may not eat of it.
    God again shows that he is completely comfortable with the concept of slavery and singles out slaves for special treatment.
    Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1:

    Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,' then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.
    Here God describes how to become a slave for life, and shows that it is completely acceptable to separate slaves from their families. God also shows that he completely endorses the branding of slaves through mutilation.
    Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

    If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
    Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.
    Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32:

    If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned.
    Not only does God condone slavery, but here God places a value on slaves -- 30 shekels of silver. Note that God is not sophisticated enough to understand the concept of inflation. It is now 3,000 years later, and a gored slave is still worth 30 shekels of silver according to God's word.
    Leviticus Chapter 22, verse 10:

    No one outside a priest's family may eat the sacred offering, nor may the guest of a priest or his hired worker eat it. But if a priest buys a slave with money, or if a slave is born in his household, that slave may eat his food.
    Here God shows that the children of slaves are slaves themselves, and that he is completely happy with that concept.
    Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:

    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
    Here God states where you may purchase your slaves, and clearly specifies that slaves are property to be bought, sold and handed down.
    Luke, Chapter 7, verse 2:

    Now a centurion had a slave who was dear to him, who was sick and at the point of death. When he heard of Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his slave. And when they came to Jesus, they besought him earnestly, saying, "He is worthy to have you do this for him, for he loves our nation, and he built us our synagogue." And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying to him, "Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed. For I am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, 'Go,' and he goes; and to another, 'Come,' and he comes; and to my slave, 'Do this,' and he does it." When Jesus heard this he marveled at him, and turned and said to the multitude that followed him, "I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith." And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the slave well.
    Here Jesus shows that he is completely comfortable with the concept of slavery. Jesus heals the slave without any thought of freeing the slave or admonishing the slave's owner.
    Colossians, chapter 3, verse 22:

    Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, work heartily...
    Here God shows that he is in complete acceptance of a slave's position, and encourages slaves to work hard. This sentiment is repeated in Titus, chapter 2 verse 9:
    Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity.
    Once again God shows that he is quite enamored of slavery.

    God loves slavery

    If the Bible is written by God, and these are the words of the Lord, then you can come to only one possible conclusion: God is an impressive advocate of slavery and is fully supportive of the concept. God is slavery's all-powerful champion. God wants human beings beating other human beings. God wants children condemned to slavery for their entire lives. And so on.

    If you are a Christian, I realize that what I am about to suggest is uncomfortable. I am suggesting to you is that these pro-slavery passages in the Bible provide all the evidence that we need to prove that God did not write the Bible. Simply put: there is no way that an all-loving God would also be a staunch supporter of slavery.

    What does your common sense tell you about God? Doesn't it seem that an all-loving, just God would think of slavery as an abomination just like any normal person does? If any sort of all-knowing, all-loving God had written the Bible, shouldn't the Bible say, "Slavery is wrong -- you may have no slaves"? Shouldn't one of the Commandments say, "thou shalt not enslave"?

    As you can see, these slavery passages present us with a paradox:

    On the one hand, every rational human being alive today knows that slavery is an outrage and a moral abomination. As a result, slavery is now completely illegal throughout the developed world.

    On the other hand, many Christians believe that the Bible is the infallible, inspired and inerrant word of God [ref]. In the Bible, the creator of the universe unequivocally states that slavery is perfectly acceptable. Beating your slaves is fine. Enslaving children is fine. Separating slave families is fine. According to the Bible, we should all be practicing slavery today.
    There is no way that an intelligent human being can allow such an intense paradox to stand without resolution.
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    31 Oct '05 23:28
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    You left out the part where God says that homosexuals should be put to death, as will anyone who plants different crops in adjoining fields. But I can guarantee you that you will not get a satisfactory response from anybody. What you'll get is this: "I follow THE WORD OF GOD. If JESUS CHRIST wanted to have slaves then the HOLY SPIRIT says it's ok ...[text shortened]... elligent" people couldn't. You're assuming intelligence where there is scant evidence of it.
    Sqarreekio jarreemob WURDACOD. Judret fycio HILLY SPORRAN.

    Oops, bugger, I'm typing in tongues.

    Quite right. Let the uphill gardners burn in HELL. Subjugate the unrighteous to Cod's hilly tribe.

    Oh no, I'm posting bigotry...help me please.

    I KNOW CHEESES WILL SAVE ME WITH A NICE BIT OF PICKLE.

    Someone make it stop, shoot me now!

    THUD......................
  3. Standard memberUmbrageOfSnow
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    Almost 3 hours and still no christian response....
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    01 Nov '05 00:12
    Originally posted by Bad wolf
    What the Bible says about slavery

    Here are ten passages from the Bible that clearly demonstrate God's position on slavery:

    Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:

    And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. ...[text shortened]... y that an intelligent human being can allow such an intense paradox to stand without resolution.
    Funny thing, one day while on the way to the bank. The message came many of us are slaves to money.
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    01 Nov '05 00:39
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Funny thing, one day while on the way to the bank. The message came many of us are slaves to money.
    At least we are not beggars like the church - holding out the donation plate.
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    01 Nov '05 00:531 edit
    http://brfwitness.org/Articles/2003v38n1p.htm


    Here's a start.🙂
  7. Standard memberUmbrageOfSnow
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    01 Nov '05 02:05
    So the ends justify the means. God is allowed to and does use slavery and evil for some inexplicable reason. Then why the heck should we even pay attention to the bible, assuming it is the word of god, if he is willing to enslave, and presumably lie, cheat, and steal, in order to get believers. If god is immoral, why bother listening to anything you claim he says.
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    01 Nov '05 02:20
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Funny thing, one day while on the way to the bank. The message came many of us are slaves to money.
    Wow! This is priceless. I don't know how to describe, but it made me laugh so hard. Thank you BF101.
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    01 Nov '05 02:31
    Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnow
    So the ends justify the means. God is allowed to and does use slavery and evil for some inexplicable reason. Then why the heck should we even pay attention to the bible, assuming it is the word of god, if he is willing to enslave, and presumably lie, cheat, and steal, in order to get believers. If god is immoral, why bother listening to anything you claim he says.
    My. those are sharp looking teeth you have....

    Ok, I didn't write the article and what they fail to mention is something very important. God gave man free will...I seem to remember a verse saying "but because of the hardness of your heart...."
    That is, God's intent was not that man have 200 wives either.
    Nor, I believe, His intent for slavery. I don't understand all of the reasons either, but I know that He "allows" for lack of a better word, don't like it though, things to continue as is until the times are right. I believe He "worked" in the hearts of the abolitionists to bring about change.
    I cannot say I understand all His ways, that would make me a "Minnie me" or minnie god. I do know that He cannot overstep free will and that it plays a large role. Otherwise, why would we even have hospitals, as He could simply heal everyone.? I think He is limited in what He can do.
    I know this is not a satisfactory answer, but I want to continue in my studies to persue it. These are just some thoughts I had.
  10. Standard memberHalitose
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    01 Nov '05 06:09
    Originally posted by Bad wolf
    What the Bible says about slavery

    Here are ten passages from the Bible that clearly demonstrate God's position on slavery:

    Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:

    And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. ...[text shortened]... y that an intelligent human being can allow such an intense paradox to stand without resolution.
    The meaning of "slavery" has changed over time. In the OT, I think it was more of an indentured servanthood.

    Another c & p job... sigh.
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    01 Nov '05 06:201 edit
    Originally posted by Halitose
    The meaning of "slavery" has changed over time. In the OT, I think it was more of an indentured servanthood.

    Another c & p job... sigh.
    Some was, some wasn't. Do you believe that indentured servititude is not morally wrong?

    EDIT: Here's an interesting "Christian" link I found which argues that slavery wasn't so bad and besides people aren't equal anyway (Abe Lincoln thought differentl).
    http://www.bible-researcher.com/slavery.html
  12. Standard memberHalitose
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    01 Nov '05 09:29
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Some was, some wasn't. Do you believe that indentured servititude is not morally wrong?

    EDIT: Here's an interesting "Christian" link I found which argues that slavery wasn't so bad and besides people aren't equal anyway (Abe Lincoln thought differentl).
    http://www.bible-researcher.com/slavery.html
    Do you believe that indentured servititude is not morally wrong?

    I'll have to research the topic... thanks for the link.
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    01 Nov '05 09:34
    Originally posted by howardgee
    At least we are not beggars like the church - holding out the donation plate.
    One thing for sure you cannot take the money with you. When you laying in that casket your money, will be just as dead as you. Then comes the Judgement.
  14. Standard memberwib
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    01 Nov '05 17:17
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    One thing for sure you cannot take the money with you. When you laying in that casket your money, will be just as dead as you. Then comes the Judgement.
    Makes me wonder why so many televanagelists spend so much time and effort trying to collect it then?

    Maybe they know something you don't?
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    01 Nov '05 17:56
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Wib you are WAY over the line here.

    Leave the televangelists alone.

    They perform many great acts. Their greatest being, of course, taking the stage with white shoes and bad combovers/dye jobs/hairpieces. I wait with bated breath to see what Jimmy Swaggart is going to come out wearing each week. If they take him away from me I'll lose a reliable source of gutbusting laughter.
    LOL. Ok, point taken. I would never deny anyone their entertainment.

    I think we missed the boat by not getting in on that "send me money to get into heaven" gig. Those boys bring in some sweet cash. And they're immune from most of our tax laws! Brilliant!

    But anyway, I'll stop hi-jacking.
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