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Originally posted by KunsooI don't think the boys really understand it either. I think it is a song of
I like the music. I have no idea what it's about, but maybe that's not necessary.
praise to God. That is why I said Hallelu Yah !!! (Praise the Lord).
They sing "ah ah ah" without the "Y" and I added it to make "Yah Yah Yah"
the name of God repeated 3 times representing the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Spirit. You must remember they are Jews and are blinded in
part until the fullness of the gentiles have come into faith.
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Originally posted by RJHindsUh, I find that last sentence a little disturbing. I'll assume the remark was made in an innocent context within your own faith, but it's the type of sentiment which has been behind centuries of mass killings of Jews by Christians who believe that Jews are "blinded" to their truth. It's one thing to believe what you believe, but leave the Jews out of it. They have their own faith, which perhaps you do not comprehend. But comprehension is not a requisite of toleration and acceptance.
I don't think the boys really understand it either. I think it is a song of
praise to God. That is why I said Hallelu Yah !!! (Praise the Lord).
They sing "ah ah ah" without the "Y" and I added it to make "Yah Yah Yah"
the name of God repeated 3 times representing the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Spirit. You must remember they are Jews and are blinded in
part until the fullness of the gentiles have come into faith.
Originally posted by KunsooJesus (Yahshua - Hebrew name) was a Jew, but was rejected by His own people
Uh, I find that last sentence a little disturbing. I'll assume the remark was made in an innocent context within your own faith, but it's the type of sentiment which has been behind centuries of mass killings of Jews by Christians who believe that Jews are "blinded" to their truth. It's one thing to believe what you believe, but leave the Jews out of it. T ...[text shortened]... you do not comprehend. But comprehension is not a requisite of toleration and acceptance.
as their promised Messiah. So it is impossible for a Christian to leave the
Jews out of Christianity for without them we gentiles would have no hope of
salvation. When I mentioned the partial spiritual blindness or hardness of
the Jews I was referring to what the apostle Paul (Saul) said in his letter
to the Romans quoted below:
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I
too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God
has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the
Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against
Israel? “Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR
ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE.” But what is the
divine response to him? “I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE
NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL.” In the same way then, there has also come to
be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if
it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no
longer grace. What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but
those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; just as it is
written,
“GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR,
EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT,
DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY.”
And David says,
“LET THEIR TABLE BECOME A SNARE AND A TRAP,
AND A STUMBLING BLOCK AND A RETRIBUTION TO THEM.
“LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT,
AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER.”
I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be!
But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them
jealous. Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their
failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!
But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle
of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if somehow I might move to jealousy my
fellow countrymen and save some of them. For if their rejection is the
reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the
dead? If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root
is holy, the branches are too.
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive,
were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of
the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are
arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root
supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might
be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but
you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not
spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the
kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s
kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in,
for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is
by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a
cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches
be grafted into their own olive tree?
For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you
will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened
to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel
will be saved; just as it is written,
“THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”
“THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.”
From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from
the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once
were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their
disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the
mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all
in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
(Romans 11:1-32 NASB)
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Originally posted by RJHindsOkay, well, I don't know what all that means. But you have to understand that any Jew who hears you telling them that they are "blind" to God's truth is going to be deeply offended, no matter what Paul had to say about it. You're talking about a people who in the past have often left their homes and hidden in terror during the Easter season, when the vast majority of pogroms took place. And with six million killed by Christians half a century ago, they may not be in the mood to have a Christian lecture them about their spiritual deficiencies. I have met few who are as devout towards God as practicing Jews. It's not a lukewarm faith by any definition.
Jesus (Yahshua - Hebrew name) was a Jew, but was rejected by His own people
as their promised Messiah. So it is impossible for a Christian to leave the
Jews out of Christianity for without them we gentiles would have no hope of
salvation. When I mentioned the partial spiritual blindness or hardness of
the Jews I was referring to what the apostle Paul ( ...[text shortened]... God has shut up all
in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
(Romans 11:1-32 NASB)
Originally posted by KunsooI understand, as Paul, did that they are hardened toward the gospel of
Okay, well, I don't know what all that means. But you have to understand that any Jew who hears you telling them that they are "blind" to God's truth is going to be deeply offended, no matter what Paul had to say about it. You're talking about a people who in the past have often left their homes and hidden in terror during the Easter season, when the vast m ...[text shortened]... re as devout towards God as practicing Jews. It's not a lukewarm faith by any definition.
Christ. But as a Christian, I cheer when they have success in Israel over
their Muslim enemies and think our U.S. goverment does not support
them as much as we should. I know I will make some of them angry
with me for speaking what I believe. But I will not have my freedom
of speech silenced to make them happy.
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Originally posted by RJHindsThe Muslims have a lot of Jews to kill before they catch up to Christians.
I understand, as Paul, did that they are hardened toward the gospel of
Christ. But as a Christian, I cheer when they have success in Israel over
their Muslim enemies and think our U.S. goverment does not support
them as much as we should. I know I will make some of them angry
with me for speaking what I believe. But I will not have my freedom
of speech silenced to make them happy.