"I Did It My Way"

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You, Wolfie, decided to choose to join Red Hot Pawn on June 8, 2007, and to reply to this thread on January 6, 2015. Our volition is the decision maker of our immaterial souls. "Who says any of us get to choose?" Empirical evidence says we do.

Red Hot Pawn certainly exists. That's why he can choose to join it. As for your beliefs about a supernatural being and your personal immortality etc., he cannot "choose" to believe things if he finds them unbelievable, and if ~ unlike Red Hot Pawn ~ they only exist in your imagination and in the imaginations of your fellow Christians.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You, Wolfie, decided to choose to join Red Hot Pawn on June 8, 2007, and to reply to this thread on January 6, 2015. Our volition is the decision maker of our immaterial souls. "Who says any of us get to choose?" Empirical evidence says we do.

And I chose to believe 2+2=4

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Fair question, JS. Yes, it's your volition deciding to accept rather than reject God's grace gift of salvation and eternal life.

I am willingly grateful to receive any gifts that I am deemed to receive.

Originally posted by FMF
Red Hot Pawn certainly exists. That's why he can choose to join it. As for your beliefs about a supernatural being and your personal immortality etc., he cannot "choose" to believe things if he finds them unbelievable, and if ~ unlike Red Hot Pawn ~ they only exist in your imagination and in the imaginations of your fellow Christians.

That's a mighty big "if", there.

One you've also put your money on as well.

Too bad you're both wrong.

Originally posted by Suzianne
That's a mighty big "if", there.

One you've also put your money on as well.

Too bad you're both wrong.

Do you think people can choose to believe things that they do not believe?

Originally posted by FMF
Do you think people can choose to believe things that they do not believe?

I think it happens all the time.

It's called education.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I think it happens all the time.

It's called education.

Do you think people can choose to believe that, say, Islam is right even when they still do not believe it after getting some education about it?

Originally posted by FMF
Do you think people can choose to believe that, say, Islam is right even when they still do not believe it after getting some education about it?

Do you think the "rightness" of Islam is a matter of education?

That says a lot. Why don't you go ahead and come out of the closet, then?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Do you think the "rightness" of Islam is a matter of education?

That says a lot. Why don't you go ahead and come out of the closet, then?

I cannot choose to be a either a Christian or a Muslim if I simply do not believe their claims about God. Do you think people can?

Originally posted by Suzianne
I think it happens all the time.

It's called education.

With the right education you can believe in Budhissm, Scientology or even Christianity?

Is that what you are saying?

Your belief is dependant on your education?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
And I chose to believe 2+2=4

Originally posted by wolfgang59
And I chose to believe 2+2=4

Depends on the unit of measure in play:

If it's Eggs: 2 Dozen Eggs + 2 Dozen Eggs = 24 Eggs

or 26 Eggs if it's 2+2 Baker's Dozen.

"I chose to believe": At least you're not in denial with
the role of human self determination [volition].

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"I chose to believe": At least you're not in denial with
the role of human self determination [volition].

Do you think people can choose to believe things that they simply do not believe?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
With the right education you can believe in Budhissm, Scientology or even Christianity?

Is that what you are saying?

Your belief is dependant on your education?

No, no and no.

Zoom zoom, eh?

That's okay, FMF missed my point, too.

Originally posted by FMF
Do you think people can choose to believe things that they simply do not believe?

Did you "not believe" in Jesus as the Savior of Man while you were a Christian?

Then I submit that, eventually, you chose to believe something you previously did not believe, namely that Christianity was false.

Yet you still strive to remove splinters from other people's eyes while the beam is still lodged in your own eye. Perhaps the example I cite is too close to you to be able to see it clearly.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Originally posted by wolfgang59
[b]And I chose to believe 2+2=4

Depends on the unit of measure in play:

If it's Eggs: 2 Dozen Eggs + 2 Dozen Eggs = 24 Eggs

or 26 Eggs if it's 2+2 Baker's Dozen.

"I chose to believe": At least you're not in denial with
the role of human self determination [volition].[/b]

No, regardless of units 2+2=4

two dozen plus two dozen equals four dozen.