Originally posted by divegeester
Let me make myself perfectly clear, I don't care for the shroud because it is an idol, a relic, another vicarious point of interest other than Jesus Christ, it is a distraction and for some a crutch onto which they rest their battered faith in the vain hope this grotty little rag will somehow rekindle the fire that once burned brightly if at all.
The ...[text shortened]... gh and yes I do find it astounding that people seeking God pay any regard to this distraction.
I personally don't care for relics either, as, like you, I believe our focus should indeed be our Lord Jesus Christ.
But it goes beyond that. If this relic or relics like these bring people to God then it's all good. People like RJH point to items like this and say it proves their faith. Now a lot of emphasis is laid on "proof" in this forum, and I'm sure that this is what caused RJH to launch into the whole discussion we've been having about the Shroud in this forum in the first place.
Now I also say that I have the faith of the mustard seed, an unshakeable faith that cannot be displaced by a handful of atheists in this forum, try as they might. All this said, the legitimacy of the Shroud of Turn has not been proven to me beyond the shadow of a doubt. To me, it holds no further proof of God than any other relic, and furthermore, my faith does not depend on it being proven, either.
But this still doesn't stop my being fascinated by it (and discussion of it), as it easily 'could' be true. No matter if it were found to be false OR true tomorrow, I doubt that would change my life either way. But it also doesn't make me want to stamp my feet and yell "Who cares?" to any that would listen.
I just wanted you to have a little (just a little is enough) empathy for RJ's excitement for an item that he feels "proves" his faith. Just to step beyond your "tsk, tsk"-ing for one moment and see it from his side, that's all.