Originally posted by yousers
Excellent point on ID not fitting with Genesis. You say evolution and ID can co-exist. How is that?
mainly in the sense that ID and evolution carry no moral baggage. it's only when it's in the hands of "creation scientists" that ID becomes something other than what the Deists had intended it to be. You see ID has been around for centuries.
so has the has the non ID view:
The Physical World
45 The universe is infinite because it has not been produced by a creator. The causes of what now exists had no beginning.
46 There is an infinite number of worlds of different sizes: some are larger than ours, some have no sun or moon, others have suns or moons that are bigger than ours. Some have many suns and moons. Worlds are spaced at differing distances from each other; in some parts of the universe there are more worlds, in other parts fewer. In some areas they are growing, in other parts, decreasing. They are destroyed by collision with one another. There are some worlds with no living creatures, plants, or moisture.
47 The material cause of all things that exist is the coming together of atoms and void. Atoms are too small to be perceived by the senses. They are eternal and have many different shapes, and they can cluster together to create things that are perceivable. Differences in shape, arrangement, and position of atoms produce different things. By aggregation they provide bulky objects that we can perceive with our sight and other senses.
48 We see changes in things because of the rearrangement of atoms, but atoms themselves are eternal. Words such as ‘nothing’, ‘the void’, and ‘the infinite’ describe space. Individual atoms are describable as ‘not nothing’, ‘being’, and ‘the compact’. There is no void in atoms, so they cannot be divided. I hold the same view as Leucippus regarding atoms and space: atoms are always in motion in space. ...... Democritus born c.458 BCE
now while Democritus might have been proven wrong on details,,by scientists that had research equipment and mathematic tools that the ancients couldn't even have dreamed of, he certainly was far ahead of his time as it's truely amazing how close he got to 20th century science.
Leucippus, the founder of atomism, probably as a response to Zeno's paradox.