Is the Universe an effect of a prior cause?
12 Apr '05 10:12i was quoting you.. you tell me... drrr...
12 Apr '05 10:391 editOriginally posted by dj2beckerDr Robert Jastrow can speculate on what was prior to the bigbang all he wants , his speculation is in itself based on his premise that God exists , making a matter (for him) of faith, however that kind of deductive reasoning isn't science which uses inductive reasoning.
There is no branch that looks at a larger portion of God's handiork than do astronomers. The Scripture says: "The Heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork". (Psalm 19:1); "For the invisible things of h ...[text shortened]... of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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12 Apr '05 10:441 editOriginally posted by dj2beckerYou did so use the word "handiork"
I never recall writting the word "handiork". If you are refering to "handiwork", any dictionary will inform you that it means, "Work performed by hand, or the product of a person's efforts and actions."
12 Apr '05 10:54Originally posted by dj2beckerApparently Robert Jastrow isn't one of those 90% as he describes himself as an agnostic:
There is no branch that looks at a larger portion of God's handiork than do astronomers. The Scripture says: "The Heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork". (Psalm 19:1); "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen" (Romans 1:10). Ninety percent of all astronomers today believe in G ...[text shortened]... rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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12 Apr '05 12:25Originally posted by no1marauderSo you see no significance in his statement?: "The scientist has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak, and as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
Apparently Robert Jastrow isn't one of those 90% as he describes himself as an agnostic:
Robert Jastrow, Astrophysicist/Author science
Jastrow, director of the Mount Wilson Observatory, president of the George Marshall Institute and author of God and the Astronomers appeared on an installment of Ben Wattenberg's Think Tank whi ...[text shortened]... ure or on the strength of his own discipline. He can only make it as a personal belief."
12 Apr '05 13:59Originally posted by dj2beckerapparently Jastrow can't tell the difference between a mountain and a pile of what those theologians were sitting there for centuries doing.
So you see no significance in his statement?:[b] "The scientist has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak, and as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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12 Apr '05 16:11Originally posted by dj2beckerAssuming this is an actual quote, I'd have to see the full context to judge what he meant as you clowns are sooooooooo fond of quoting words of people out of context (perhaps it's what we call a "joke"😉. Do you see the significance of this quote: "But I also know that there is no way within my scientific discipline of finding out whether there is a larger purpose or design in the universe."?
So you see no significance in his statement?:[b] "The scientist has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak, and as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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12 Apr '05 19:38Originally posted by no1marauderMaybe you could read his book, "God and the Astronomers." I think the quote you gave about him being an agnostic (off some obscure web-site) might be more obscure than the quotes obtained from the book that he wrote himself...
Assuming this is an actual quote, I'd have to see the full context to judge what he meant as you clowns are sooooooooo fond of quoting words of people out of context (perhaps it's what we call a "joke"😉. Do you see the significance of this quote: "But I also know that there is no way within my scientific discipline of finding out whether there is a larger purpose or design in the universe."?
12 Apr '05 19:522 editsOriginally posted by dj2beckerEverything is based on assumptions. For example, you assume every second that you're not looking at a Bible that Bibles do exist and that the have in the past. However there does exist strong evidence in favor of the hypothesis. Here's one example:
Do you have any proof of this that is not based on assumptions?
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