Originally posted by Nemesio
Now, given that it is 'only a light beating,' you feel that such behavior is morally permissible, even when the wife if failing in her every duty as 'wife?' Are we clear on this?
Originally posted by ahosyney
[b]For example you are talking about beating your wife. And you of course assume that this beating is hard beating that will cause harm, although in Hadith it is defined very differently . And it is far from what you think (it is just defined as pating).
A little over a year ago, you also said:
[i]Originally po sist of? Can it break skin? Can it leave
a bruise? Does it cause any pain?
I think there a word missing in this question but I will try to answer as much as I understand
The light beating is not for a wife that fail in her duty as a wife. It is allowed only for the wife who is in a complete disopedience to her husband (may be this expression is not accurate, I can't find the right word to describe it but in Arabic it is called "Noshos", it is the case when the woman in a complete disopediance to her husband), refused all the trials to correct her behaviour by her family, refused to listen to her husband. So if the wife just fail to do some of her duty that doesn't give her husband the right to beat her at all. And if he did that she can ask for divorce and the judge will give it to her.
When I say it is allowed, that doesn't mean it is a must. In other words the it is not an order from Allah for a man to bear his wife. It is just a methodology to allow the man to show his wife that she reached a stage where her behaviour is not acceptable.
Of course the measurement of the acceptable behaviour is not up to the man to decide. It is measured by matching the Islamic morals. In other words the husband can't force his wife to do things that is aganis the Islamic moral values (like driniking for example), and if she refused to obey him in this case he has no right to beat her.
In general the husband given control of the family because he usually the source of funding for the family, and the wife is not asked to fund her husband. So in case that the family if funded by the wife, then the husband has no right to that as well.
I tried to answer as much as I understanded your questions.
And, to further clarify, what does a 'light beating' consist of?
I think I defined it in the two quotes you posted above. This type of beating is allowed not punish the wife as if she is a child, by causeing pain. It is ment so that the husband show that is not happy about the behaviour of his wife (as described above). I think any man and woman in relation may use light pating in same cased when they have an angry discussion.
Can it break skin?
Can it leave a bruise?
Does it cause any pain?
and in case any of the three above things happen it is considered a crime, and the husband could be accused for it, as I explained in the thread you quoted.
Hope I answered your questions.