-Removed-You really are something else, dive.
Either you are phenominally ignorant, or willfully malicious in your lack of understanding.
Probably both.
Child molestation is a crime in most civilised societies. Hiding a crime is a crime.
This has nothing to do with beliefs. I am pretty sure that the JW authorities are as embarrassed about this as the RCC about child molestation by priests. Neither organisation allows child molestation as a part of their belief system, and they do not practice it as a religious ritual.
Yet both organisations struggle with it amongst their members. And the Vatican is only now (extremely slowly and cautiously) starting to do something about it.
I am sure if you make a survey of any organisation (say, lawyers or teachers or municipal workers) you will find child molesters among them.
Of course, the fact that the JWs have done nothing with their knowledge is something for the authorities to deal with. It reflects on their civic responsibility, not on their beliefs.
If you want to attack me on any of my posts, please at least try to maintain a semblance of logic.
@caljust saidWe had long years of JW robbie carrobie here unapologetically defending the institutional cover-up of child sex abuse by JWs because, he argued, without a shred of evidence, it led to less child sex abuse. Meanwhile, he would almost invariably smear the victims in any cases which got raised in this community.
Child molestation is a crime in most civilised societies. Hiding a crime is a crime.
galveston75 never once called robbie carrobie out for this and, indeed, several times said he doesn't know if there has been any child sex abuse within the JW organization because, he argued, he himself had never seen anyone sexually abusing a child and that many victims or victims' families are simply ex-JW malcontents or just want to demonize and persecute JWs like the Nazis did, blah blah blah etc. etc.
I'm surprised you didn't catch any of this, frankly.
Having these two JWs among us, for years, has been like having a Catholic poster who defends or plays down the sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests.
@fmf saidYou’re right, I haven’t even read the SF posts for a few years. As you yourself know, I used to post quite a bit, but then one day decided it feels quite nice when I stop hitting my head against a wall!
I'm surprised you didn't catch any of this, frankly.
Having these two JWs among us, for years, has been like having a Catholic poster who defends or plays down the sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests.
I recall an incident where Winston Churchill was challenged by an MP for “a battle of wits”. He respectfully declined, because he said: “I do not like to engage in battle with an unarmed man”.
This is how I often feel on this forum.
Take for example this recent encounter with Dive.
1. He posts an article about child molestation within the JW and concludes by saying in an arrogant and accusing manner that I would probably “allow them the right to choose their own beliefs.” (Which, in fact, I do!)
2. I respond by saying that this has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs, but with contravening the law.
3. Furthermore, I point out that the RCC has been bedevilled for years by accusations of cover-ups involving their priests and child molestation. Again, nothing to do with beliefs, and no word of accusation from Dive (that I have seen).
4. His reaction? Totally ignore my responses, and then continue by saying “yes, but they also do this and that, (e.g. shunning) and you should read such and such an article.......”
Talk about red herrings!
See what I mean? An unarmed man.
Sure, I did not have the background you pointed out concerning Robbie (although I do remember him from the olden days) but I thought that this argument should stand on its own two feet.
I hold no candle for the JWs, but at the same time I get quite worked up when people make a case with bad logic and emotional bias, to say the least.
If his case was that the JWs have not reacted on the information they had in their possession ( as the article quoted implies) then that is reason enough to challenge JW supporters as to the morality of their leadership.
But to then cast a slur on me by saying I support their “right to choose their own beliefs” just shows the limited ability of his brain.
As I said, either stupidly ignorant or maliciously misleading, or most likely both.
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@caljust saidThat is typical Dive. Does it all the time.
You’re right, I haven’t even read the SF posts for a few years. As you yourself know, I used to post quite a bit, but then one day decided it feels quite nice when I stop hitting my head against a wall!
I recall an incident where Winston Churchill was challenged by an MP for “a battle of wits”. He respectfully declined, because he said: “I do not like to engage in battle ...[text shortened]... of his brain.
As I said, either stupidly ignorant or maliciously misleading, or most likely both.
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-Removed-I'm still here my friend. So get off your high horse and listen.... When this subject was discussed for probably the third time I made very heartfelt and disturbed comments about this happening. I suppose you forgot about that? If I were to catch anyone ever abusing my children or anyone else's I'd probably spending time in jail.
As I commented this is a scourge that is happening earth wide.
Now I am not a lawyer so I will not pretend I am one and give an uneducated guess to any or all the facts. But I will say this. In my heart I believe Jehovah is with the Witnesses and directs us. No one here believes that and that is fine. If the brothers at head quarters are taking this stand in how they are handling this, I have faith that Jehovah knows this if it is being done wrong. If the country or countries decide to pursue legal action that is there right.
I'm just curious about something though. Why is this abuse not being reported from other countries other then the UK and Australia?
It seems almost monthly there is news on the national news stations here of more Catholic priest getting caught with their abuse problems? This seems to be in the thousands if not hundreds of thousands instances in many, many countries.
To me something is not adding up here.........
@galveston75 saidOnly in the UK and Australia? Say what?
I'm just curious about something though. Why is this abuse not being reported from other countries other then the UK and Australia?
@galveston75 saidThe tragic and seemingly endless sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic church is both staggering and appalling. There would have been more stuff on this forum about it [than the occasional thread there has been] if there'd been any Catholics here defending the institutional cover-up of abuse or Catholics saying they were unaware of any such abuse because they had not actually seen anyone doing it with their own eyes.
It seems almost monthly there is news on the national news stations here of more Catholic priest getting caught with their abuse problems? This seems to be in the thousands if not hundreds of thousands instances in many, many countries.