“The governing body of the Jehovah's Witness Christian denomination has been accused of maintaining a secret database of child molesters within the group and failing to share that information with law enforcement agencies.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6847391/Jehovahs-Witnesses-kept-secret-database-tens-thousands-child-molesters.html
- Jehovah's Witnesses 'kept a secret database of tens of thousands of child molesters for two decades and hid it from the authorities'
- The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, which serves as the head of Jehovah's Witness organization, accused of covering up molestation
- Watchtower has paid millions of dollars in fines and settlements rather than open its files
- The Watchtower in 1997 sent a survey to its 10,883 US Kingdom Halls seeking information about members of the community accused of sexual abuse
Court records show a lawyer for the church said 775 surveys were mailed back between 1997 and 2001
- According to estimates, number of accused Jehovah's Witness child molesters listed in the secret database could range from 18,000 to 23,000
No doubt Galveston75 will choose now as a convenient moment to discover a sick relative who needs his attention...and no doubt @Caljust will be along to chastise me for not permitting the Watchtower to hold whatever beliefs they choose.
03 Apr 19
@divegeester saidThe ones in authority are in the 144000.
“The governing body of the Jehovah's Witness Christian denomination has been accused of maintaining a secret database of child molesters within the group and failing to share that information with law enforcement agencies.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6847391/Jehovahs-Witnesses-kept-secret-database-tens-thousands-child-molesters.html
[i]- Jehovah ...[text shortened]... will be along to chastise me for not permitting the Watchtower to hold whatever beliefs they choose.
04 Apr 19
@divegeester saidBump for the conspicuously absent @Galveston75.
“The governing body of the Jehovah's Witness Christian denomination has been accused of maintaining a secret database of child molesters within the group and failing to share that information with law enforcement agencies.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6847391/Jehovahs-Witnesses-kept-secret-database-tens-thousands-child-molesters.html
[i]- Jehovah ...[text shortened]... will be along to chastise me for not permitting the Watchtower to hold whatever beliefs they choose.
Galveston75 is this list of JW child molesters what you were referring to when you told FMF to “look it up” when he was asking you which church was harbouring alledged child abusers?
@divegeester saidYou really are something else, dive.
[b].and no doubt @Caljust will be along to chastise me for not permitting the Watchtower to hold whatever beliefs they choose.
Either you are phenominally ignorant, or willfully malicious in your lack of understanding.
Probably both.
Child molestation is a crime in most civilised societies. Hiding a crime is a crime.
This has nothing to do with beliefs. I am pretty sure that the JW authorities are as embarrassed about this as the RCC about child molestation by priests. Neither organisation allows child molestation as a part of their belief system, and they do not practice it as a religious ritual.
Yet both organisations struggle with it amongst their members. And the Vatican is only now (extremely slowly and cautiously) starting to do something about it.
I am sure if you make a survey of any organisation (say, lawyers or teachers or municipal workers) you will find child molesters among them.
Of course, the fact that the JWs have done nothing with their knowledge is something for the authorities to deal with. It reflects on their civic responsibility, not on their beliefs.
If you want to attack me on any of my posts, please at least try to maintain a semblance of logic.
@caljust saidYou have been defending the JWs right to hold whatever beliefs they choose. They choose to believe, globally, that it’s right for them to withhold information from the authorities about leaders in the organisation who have been systematically sexually abusing thousands of children for decades.
You really are something else, dive.
Either you are phenominally ignorant, or willfully malicious in your lack of understanding.
Probably both.
Child molestation is a crime in most civilised societies. Hiding a crime is a crime.
This has nothing to do with beliefs. I am pretty sure that the JW authorities are as embarrassed about this as the RCC about child moles ...[text shortened]... t it.
If you want to attack me on any of my posts, please at least maintain a semblance of logic.
I suggest you read up on the subject a little and get yourself informed before calling me ignorant, wilfully malicious, lacking in understanding or being illogical.
Try the Royal Australian Commission’s report first.
Speak later when I will accept your apology.
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The JWs also choose to believe that it is preferable for a child to die rather than to provide it with a lifesaving blood transfusion because this would offend their version of God. This is child sacrifice.
It is well documented, read up.
They also believe it is acceptable to psychologically bully members of their congregations who do not comply with their religious rules. It’s called “shunning”.
It is well documented read up.
04 Apr 19
@divegeester saidAnd I defend your right to believe whatever you choose to believe.
You have been defending the JWs right to hold whatever beliefs they choose.
@caljust saidThis post by you is pure sophistry and doesn’t bear scrutiny.
And I defend your right to believe whatever you choose to believe.
Religious beliefs can be some of the most misguided, deluded, hateful dangerous beliefs that exist.
My beliefs don’t require your defence, thank you.
@caljust saidWe had long years of JW robbie carrobie here unapologetically defending the institutional cover-up of child sex abuse by JWs because, he argued, without a shred of evidence, it led to less child sex abuse. Meanwhile, he would almost invariably smear the victims in any cases which got raised in this community.
Child molestation is a crime in most civilised societies. Hiding a crime is a crime.
galveston75 never once called robbie carrobie out for this and, indeed, several times said he doesn't know if there has been any child sex abuse within the JW organization because, he argued, he himself had never seen anyone sexually abusing a child and that many victims or victims' families are simply ex-JW malcontents or just want to demonize and persecute JWs like the Nazis did, blah blah blah etc. etc.
I'm surprised you didn't catch any of this, frankly.
Having these two JWs among us, for years, has been like having a Catholic poster who defends or plays down the sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests.
@fmf saidYou’re right, I haven’t even read the SF posts for a few years. As you yourself know, I used to post quite a bit, but then one day decided it feels quite nice when I stop hitting my head against a wall!
I'm surprised you didn't catch any of this, frankly.
Having these two JWs among us, for years, has been like having a Catholic poster who defends or plays down the sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests.
I recall an incident where Winston Churchill was challenged by an MP for “a battle of wits”. He respectfully declined, because he said: “I do not like to engage in battle with an unarmed man”.
This is how I often feel on this forum.
Take for example this recent encounter with Dive.
1. He posts an article about child molestation within the JW and concludes by saying in an arrogant and accusing manner that I would probably “allow them the right to choose their own beliefs.” (Which, in fact, I do!)
2. I respond by saying that this has absolutely nothing to do with beliefs, but with contravening the law.
3. Furthermore, I point out that the RCC has been bedevilled for years by accusations of cover-ups involving their priests and child molestation. Again, nothing to do with beliefs, and no word of accusation from Dive (that I have seen).
4. His reaction? Totally ignore my responses, and then continue by saying “yes, but they also do this and that, (e.g. shunning) and you should read such and such an article.......”
Talk about red herrings!
See what I mean? An unarmed man.
Sure, I did not have the background you pointed out concerning Robbie (although I do remember him from the olden days) but I thought that this argument should stand on its own two feet.
I hold no candle for the JWs, but at the same time I get quite worked up when people make a case with bad logic and emotional bias, to say the least.
If his case was that the JWs have not reacted on the information they had in their possession ( as the article quoted implies) then that is reason enough to challenge JW supporters as to the morality of their leadership.
But to then cast a slur on me by saying I support their “right to choose their own beliefs” just shows the limited ability of his brain.
As I said, either stupidly ignorant or maliciously misleading, or most likely both.
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@caljust saidThat is typical Dive. Does it all the time.
You’re right, I haven’t even read the SF posts for a few years. As you yourself know, I used to post quite a bit, but then one day decided it feels quite nice when I stop hitting my head against a wall!
I recall an incident where Winston Churchill was challenged by an MP for “a battle of wits”. He respectfully declined, because he said: “I do not like to engage in battle ...[text shortened]... of his brain.
As I said, either stupidly ignorant or maliciously misleading, or most likely both.
@divegeester saidI'm still here my friend. So get off your high horse and listen.... When this subject was discussed for probably the third time I made very heartfelt and disturbed comments about this happening. I suppose you forgot about that? If I were to catch anyone ever abusing my children or anyone else's I'd probably spending time in jail.
“The governing body of the Jehovah's Witness Christian denomination has been accused of maintaining a secret database of child molesters within the group and failing to share that information with law enforcement agencies.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6847391/Jehovahs-Witnesses-kept-secret-database-tens-thousands-child-molesters.html
[i]- Jehovah ...[text shortened]... will be along to chastise me for not permitting the Watchtower to hold whatever beliefs they choose.
As I commented this is a scourge that is happening earth wide.
Now I am not a lawyer so I will not pretend I am one and give an uneducated guess to any or all the facts. But I will say this. In my heart I believe Jehovah is with the Witnesses and directs us. No one here believes that and that is fine. If the brothers at head quarters are taking this stand in how they are handling this, I have faith that Jehovah knows this if it is being done wrong. If the country or countries decide to pursue legal action that is there right.
I'm just curious about something though. Why is this abuse not being reported from other countries other then the UK and Australia?
It seems almost monthly there is news on the national news stations here of more Catholic priest getting caught with their abuse problems? This seems to be in the thousands if not hundreds of thousands instances in many, many countries.
To me something is not adding up here.........
@galveston75 saidOnly in the UK and Australia? Say what?
I'm just curious about something though. Why is this abuse not being reported from other countries other then the UK and Australia?
04 Apr 19
@galveston75 saidThe tragic and seemingly endless sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic church is both staggering and appalling. There would have been more stuff on this forum about it [than the occasional thread there has been] if there'd been any Catholics here defending the institutional cover-up of abuse or Catholics saying they were unaware of any such abuse because they had not actually seen anyone doing it with their own eyes.
It seems almost monthly there is news on the national news stations here of more Catholic priest getting caught with their abuse problems? This seems to be in the thousands if not hundreds of thousands instances in many, many countries.