Originally posted by KaboooombaThose words my have been attributed to Jesus, but how do you know he actually said them? How do you know it isn't the invention of some later biblical writer?
'I am the bread of life, ' Jesus told them. 'He who comes to me will never be hungry; he who believes in me will never be thirsty ...
'I will never turn away anyone who comes to me. '
Originally posted by rwingettThe way you might know would be to give it a try. If it turns out to be bunkum then you will know that he maybe never said it or he wasn't who he said he was. Then you could go on this forum and say "I've had a go and it's all a load of XXXX". Do you want to 'know' before you even give it a try? Does it have to be so difficult?
Those words my have been attributed to Jesus, but how do you know he actually said them? How do you know it isn't the invention of some later biblical writer?
Originally posted by knightmeisterHow do you know you'll die if you jump off a big cliff until you try?
The way you might know would be to give it a try. If it turns out to be bunkum then you will know that he maybe never said it or he wasn't who he said he was. Then you could go on this forum and say "I've had a go and it's all a load of XXXX". Do you want to 'know' before you even give it a try? Does it have to be so difficult?
Originally posted by knightmeister"Just drink the Kool-Aid and everything will be fine."
The way you might know would be to give it a try. If it turns out to be bunkum then you will know that he maybe never said it or he wasn't who he said he was. Then you could go on this forum and say "I've had a go and it's all a load of XXXX". Do you want to 'know' before you even give it a try? Does it have to be so difficult?
-The Reverend Jim Jones (attributed)
Originally posted by NemesioIf I understand it (or knightmeister) correctly, God can't give rwingett faith, because then he would understand how great it is to be a Christian and how bad it is to be an atheist, so of course he would choose to be a Christian, but because this choice would be a matter of course it wouldn't be a real choice, so he wouldn't have free will, and God wants us to have free will. I don't know why he has taken it away from people like RBHILL, though.
So, I guess it's God's fault that Rwingett didn't believe, since obviously he lacks
the 'God-given faith' to which you just referred.
Nemesio
'Come to me', Jesus said, 'all of you who are tired from carrying heavy loads, and i will give you rest. Take my yoke and put it on you, and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest. For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put on you is light.
Originally posted by KaboooombaWell that right there is a nice summary of many religious schemes -- a bit o' shade in a hot clime. But it may be that there exist burdens we must (in good 'faith'😉 carry alone. The writings of Camus speak eloquently on such matters.
'Come to me', Jesus said, 'all of you who are tired from carrying heavy loads, and i will give you rest. Take my yoke and put it on you, and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest. For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put on you is light.
Originally posted by KaboooombaThose words my have been attributed to Jesus, but how do you know he actually said them? How do you know it isn't the invention of some later biblical writer?
'Come to me', Jesus said, 'all of you who are tired from carrying heavy loads, and i will give you rest. Take my yoke and put it on you, and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest. For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put on you is light.
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Originally posted by LemonJelloi agree, your life is also proportional to influences other than Jesus. in heaven these burdens will be gone, as it is our own sins and others that are the heavy loads.
Well that right there is a nice summary of many religious schemes -- a bit o' shade in a hot clime. But it may be that there exist burdens we must (in good 'faith'😉 carry alone. The writings of Camus speak eloquently on such matters.
Originally posted by knightmeisterHow does one 'give it a try?' I have tried asking God for things in the past with no real response. Can I now say "it's all a load of XXXX"?
The way you might know would be to give it a try. If it turns out to be bunkum then you will know that he maybe never said it or he wasn't who he said he was. Then you could go on this forum and say "I've had a go and it's all a load of XXXX". Do you want to 'know' before you even give it a try? Does it have to be so difficult?
Have you given Islaam or Bhudism a try? If not then why do you think that they are not correct?