1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    07 Jun '13 02:44
    "Jesus wept."

    Clarke's Commentary on John 11:35


    "Jesus wept - The least verse in the Bible, yet inferior to none. Some of the ruthless ancients, improperly styled fathers of the Church, thought that weeping was a degradation of the character of Christ; and therefore, according to the testimony of Epiphanius, Anchorat. c. 13, razed out of the Gospel of St. Luke the place (Luke 19:41) where Christ is said to have wept over Jerusalem."

    Barnes' Notes on John 11:35

    "Jesus wept - It has been remarked that this is the shortest verse in the Bible; but it is exceedingly important and tender. It shows the Lord Jesus as a friend, a tender friend, and evinces his character as a man. And from this we learn:

    1. That the most tender personal friendship is not inconsistent with the most pure religion. Piety binds stronger the ties of friendship, makes more tender the emotions of love, and seals and sanctifies the affections of friends.

    2. It is right, it is natural, it is indispensable for the Christian to sympathize with others in their afflictions. Romans 12:15; "rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep."

    3. Sorrow at the death of friends is not improper. It is right to weep. It is the expression of nature and religion does not forbid or condemn it. All that religion does in the case is to temper and chasten our grief; to teach us to mourn with submission to God; to weep without complaining, and to seek to banish tears, not by hardening the heart or forgetting the friend, but by bringing the soul, made tender by grief, to receive the sweet influences of religion, and to find calmness and peace in the God of all consolation.

    4. We have here an instance of the tenderness of the character of Jesus, The same Savior wept over Jerusalem, and felt deeply for poor dying, sinners. To the same tender and compassionate Saviour Christians may now come Hebrews 4:15; and to him the penitent sinner may also come, knowing that he will not cast him away."

    Wesley's Notes on John 11:35

    11:35 "Jesus wept - Out of sympathy with those who were in tears all around him, as well as from a deep sense of the misery sin had brought upon human nature."

    http://www.godvine.com/bible/john/11-35

    Comments?
  2. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    07 Jun '13 20:35
    To Whom It May Concern: Apparently, Absence of Interest in Jesus Christ, within an Internet Spirituality Forum has resulted in this attempted conversation becoming a farce. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, the thread's dead.
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    07 Jun '13 21:52
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]To Whom It May Concern: Apparently, Absence of Interest in Jesus Christ, within an Internet Spirituality Forum has resulted in this attempted conversation becoming a farce. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, the thread's dead.[/b]
    you posted a bunch of scripture and then asked for comments. we could all do that atheist/christian/whoever. i think it would be better if you started by explaining what it means to you, then invite people to comment on your view or on the text directly. that way it feels more like a sharing.
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    07 Jun '13 21:571 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie

    you posted a bunch of scripture and then asked for comments. we could all do that atheist/christian/whoever. i think it would be better if you started by explaining what it means to you, then invite people to comment on your view or on the text directly. that way it feels more like a sharing.
    For starters, stellspalfie: "4. We have here an instance of the tenderness of the character of Jesus, The same Savior wept over Jerusalem, and felt deeply for poor dying, sinners. To the same tender and compassionate Saviour Christians may now come Hebrews 4:15; and to him the penitent sinner may also come, knowing that he will not cast him away."

    Please feel free to comment or express your views in any way you wish. Thank you for resuscitating the conversation. -Bob
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    07 Jun '13 22:27
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]To Whom It May Concern: Apparently, Absence of Interest in Jesus Christ, within an Internet Spirituality Forum has resulted in this attempted conversation becoming a farce. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, the thread's dead.[/b]
    No, no, no, GB. Timing is everything.

    You post this AFTER twhitehead tries to ruin your thread with his nonsense.
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    07 Jun '13 22:31
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    No, no, no, GB. Timing is everything.

    You post this AFTER twhitehead tries to ruin your thread with his nonsense.
    Hey, Suzi, try to be nice... twhitehead and gb both need a little love, too.
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    07 Jun '13 22:33
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]"Jesus wept."

    Clarke's Commentary on John 11:35


    "Jesus wept - The least verse in the Bible, yet inferior to none. Some of the ruthless ancients, improperly styled fathers of the Church, thought that weeping was a degradation of the character of Christ; and therefore, according to the testimony of Epiphanius, Anchorat. c. 13, razed out of t ...[text shortened]... brought upon human nature."

    http://www.godvine.com/bible/john/11-35

    Comments?[/b]
    Seriously, GB, when I came on the site early this morning after work, I almost posted "What is there left to say? It speaks for itself."

    Perhaps I should have posted that, but I guess I was waiting for others to speak up first. But I did feel there was not much more I could add. Like when someone walks past you when you're out walking through your neighborhood, and they say "Nice day." About all you can say is "yep", or "sure is". But such minimal posts are generally frowned upon in internet forums.
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    07 Jun '13 22:35
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Hey, Suzi, try to be nice... twhitehead and gb both need a little love, too.
    I know, I know.

    One of my worst sins is that it takes me a while to wind down after I've been riled up. 🙁
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    07 Jun '13 23:001 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    I know, I know.

    One of my worst sins is that it takes me a while to wind down after I've been riled up. 🙁
    It's okay to calm down now, Suzi, especially since you know twhitehead and gb care about you.
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