1. Felicific Forest
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    10 Nov '05 01:01
    LUTHERAN-CATHOLIC COMMISSION TO PUBLISH NEW DOCUMENT



    VATICAN CITY, NOV 7, 2005 (VIS) - This morning, the Holy Father received Bishop Mark Hanson, president of the World Lutheran Federation, accompanied by a delegation.



    In his address to them in English, the Pope affirmed that one of the results of the "fruitful dialogue" between the Catholic Church and the World Lutheran Federation is "the Joint Declaration on Justification, which constitutes a significant milestone on our common path to full visible unity. This is an important achievement. In order to build on this accomplishment, we must accept that differences remain regarding the central question of justification; these need to be addressed, together with the ways in which God's grace is communicated in and through the Church."



    The Pope recalled his recent visit to Cologne, Germany, and expressed the hope that "the future progress of our dialogue ... will not only be placed in a context of 'institutional' questions, but will take into account the true source of all ministry in the Church. In fact, the mission of the Church is to witness to the truth of Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh. Word and witness go together."



    "The International Lutheran-Roman Catholic Commission on Unity will soon complete its fourth phase of dialogue and publish its findings in a document on the apostolicity of the Church. We are all aware that our fraternal dialogue is challenged not just by the need to verify the reception of these shared formulations of doctrine in our respective communions, but even more so today by a general climate of uncertainty regarding Christian truths and ethical principles which formerly went unquestioned. This common patrimony in certain cases is being undermined by changed hermeneutical approaches."



    Benedict XVI also indicated that the ecumenical path "will continue to encounter difficulties and will demand patient dialogue. I draw much encouragement, however, from the solid tradition of serious study and exchange which has characterized Catholic-Lutheran relations over the years."



    "As we prepare to mark the five-hundredth anniversary of the events of 1517, we should intensify our efforts to understand more deeply what we have in common and what divides us, as well as the gifts we have to offer each other."

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  2. Standard memberColetti
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    10 Nov '05 01:17
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    LUTHERAN-CATHOLIC COMMISSION TO PUBLISH NEW DOCUMENT



    VATICAN CITY, NOV 7, 2005 (VIS) - This morning, the Holy Father received Bishop Mark Hanson, president of the World Lutheran Federation, accompanied by a delegation.



    In his address to them in English, the Pope affirmed that one of the results of the "fruitful dialogue" between the Catho ...[text shortened]... er."

    AC/.../WORLD LUTHERAN FEDERATION VIS 051107 (370)
    Fascinating - unless the Church of Rome is becoming reformed - I think Luther must be spinning in his grave.

    I don't think the "World Lutheran Federation" represents old-school reformed Lutheran churches. I bet the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is part of the WLF. The ELCA was declared "unreformed" by the Missouri Synod Lutheran church - which shows how far apart they have traveled. The MSL has held their original doctrines while the ELCA was traveling the road to Rome.

    Still, interesting how the Church of Rome has been promoting ecumenical-ism - even embracing Islam and Judaism it appears. Things have certainly changed.

    Thanks for the info ivanhoe.
  3. Hmmm . . .
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    10 Nov '05 02:15
    Originally posted by Coletti
    Fascinating - unless the Church of Rome is becoming reformed - I think Luther must be spinning in his grave.

    I don't think the "World Lutheran Federation" represents old-school reformed Lutheran churches. I bet the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is part of the WLF. The ELCA was declared "unreformed" by the Missouri Synod Lutheran church - ...[text shortened]... ng Islam and Judaism it appears. Things have certainly changed.

    Thanks for the info ivanhoe.
    As a lifelong Lutheran (LCA then ALC then ELCA, admittedly—okay, then an Anglican before I left altogether), I have to take issue with the Missouri Synod being the ones who have “held their original doctrines while the ELCA was traveling the road to Rome.” “Conservative” does not always mean “original.” You should check out the Finnish Lutheran church’s explorations of Luther’s views on sanctification vis-à-vis his more well-known doctrine of justification.

    BTW, this post is really just an excuse to say glad you’re back!
  4. Standard memberColetti
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    10 Nov '05 03:32
    Originally posted by vistesd
    As a lifelong Lutheran (LCA then ALC then ELCA, admittedly—okay, then an Anglican before I left altogether), I have to take issue with the Missouri Synod being the ones who have “held their original doctrines while the ELCA was traveling the road to Rome.” “Conservative” does not always mean “original.” You should check out the Finnish Lutheran church’s ex ...[text shortened]... n doctrine of justification.

    BTW, this post is really just an excuse to say glad you’re back!
    🙂 Thanks!
  5. Felicific Forest
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    10 Nov '05 03:40
    Originally posted by Coletti
    Fascinating - unless the Church of Rome is becoming reformed - I think Luther must be spinning in his grave.

    I don't think the "World Lutheran Federation" represents old-school reformed Lutheran churches. I bet the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is part of the WLF. The ELCA was declared "unreformed" by the Missouri Synod Lutheran church - ...[text shortened]... ng Islam and Judaism it appears. Things have certainly changed.

    Thanks for the info ivanhoe.
    You're welcome.

    Glad to see you're back 🙂
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