Originally posted by sonhouse(you mean the first three gospels)
The first four gospels of the bible start out with Judas being an ok kind of guy to John where he is vilified. What is the reason for this change of character?
I saw a public tv documentary: "From Jesus to Christ" which was very informative. It explained how the latest gospel became more anti semitic in tone as the jesus followers became more disconnected from judaism since the jews did not accept them or respect them as a jewish sect. The gospel writers wrote within the context of their time.
Originally posted by sonhouseBut the NT has one legitimate, historical character who lived during the times of jesus, and who knew the original disciples; Paul, who wrote most of the NT and whose epistles essentially proclaim the gospel message. The gnostic gospels are therefore, in a relative sense, rubbish, which could have been written by any hack claiming "secret" knowledge of jesus.
Well that is a problem. NONE of the bible chapters are from god, only from men. So the gospel of judas has just as much validity as any of the ones in the bible. The Gnostic gospels were rejected beause they did not fit in with the pre-concieved notions of what a religion should be. The gospels of mark mathew luke and john were not even written by those peo ...[text shortened]... undreds of years later those chapters were named as being written by those four now attributed.
Originally posted by RegicidalWell thats interesting. Knowledge of who is a hack and who isn't from a period of time 2000 years down the line. Impressive.
But the NT has one legitimate, historical character who lived during the times of jesus, and who knew the original disciples; Paul, who wrote most of the NT and whose epistles essentially proclaim the gospel message. The gnostic gospels are therefore, in a relative sense, rubbish, which could have been written by any hack claiming "secret" knowledge of jesus.
Originally posted by checkbaiterWoah what?! Satan was trying to kill Jesus? Jesus was born to die. Satan wanted Jesus to crack and chicken out, or sin and ruin the perfect sacrifice. Satan was not out to slaughter Jesus the way it happened. To suggest such would be to say that Satan won.
Not necessarily...I think Satan would have found another way.
Originally posted by sonhouseI guess it was like American wrestling.
The first four gospels of the bible start out with Judas being an ok kind of guy to John where he is vilified. What is the reason for this change of character?
You know, one day you're the world champion; the good guy.
Next Wrestlemania, you've whacked somebody over the head with a chair, you're wearing a black mask and everybody wants your blood.
I'm sure, eventually, had he not hanged himself, he would have turned good again and Jesus would probably have went down in history's books as: "Carpenter boy".
Originally posted by Coconut1 Cor 2:7-8
Woah what?! Satan was trying to kill Jesus? Jesus was born to die. Satan wanted Jesus to crack and chicken out, or sin and ruin the perfect sacrifice. Satan was not out to slaughter Jesus the way it happened. To suggest such would be to say that Satan won.
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
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I Jn 5:19
19We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
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