04 Jan 10
Originally posted by 667joeJesus fullfield the laws as he never sinned. But we should still honor the laws in principle as they are still a very good guidelines in moral, health, business, etc, issues. But Jesus gave the new law to love your neighbor as yourself and this in itself would cover many of the old Mosaic laws.
Leviticus admonishes gays, however it also says people who work on the sabbeth and children who sass their parents should be stoned. How come Christians get to pick which parts of the bible to believe or not to believe? Eating pork is forbidden, but many Christians eat pork.
The old Mosaic laws were implemented to keep God's people clean in many different levels of life and to show the need for a mediator, Jesus, to work on our behalf to have God, his Father, forgive our sins.
So before you have a mediator you have to establish why he is needed and the laws exposed how we all sin daily and that we now need Jesus to be that helper that we need to have forgiveness and help from our God Jehovah.
04 Jan 10
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Originally posted by 667joeah. Jo Jo, we meet again! consider this my friend!
Leviticus admonishes gays, however it also says people who work on the sabbeth and children who sass their parents should be stoned. How come Christians get to pick which parts of the bible to believe or not to believe? Eating pork is forbidden, but many Christians eat pork.
(Colossians 2:13-14) . . .He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake. . .
there are some details worthy of note my son, for example, the handwritten document which has been blotted out and which consisted of decrees. This is a reference to the Mosaic law, of which Leviticus forms an integral part. Now what was to happen to this Law?
Very clearly the Scriptures state that God through Christ made an end to the Law.
(Romans 10:4) For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.
In further support of this, note the inspired words appearing at Romans 7:4-12. There we read that Christians “were made dead to the Law through the body of the Christ,” and, as a result, they “have been discharged from the Law.”
Now in the Christian Greek scriptures we have a contrast, Law versus undeserved kindness or grace as it is sometimes called.
Thus we read that “the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17, Authorized Version) Yes, “Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.” By “end” is not meant merely the goal of the Law but its finish. Christians are therefore counseled: “Sin must not be master over you, seeing that you are not under law but under undeserved kindness.”—Rom. 10:4; 6:14.
how are we to understand this?
The Law served its purpose, preparing the Israelites for their Messiah, even as we read: “The Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.” (Gal. 3:24, 25) For whom was the Law a tutor? Only for the Jews. Thus when Paul preached to non-Jews in Athens, some of them became believers, Christians, although they had never been under the Mosaic law as a tutor.—Acts 17:22-34.
Does all this mean that, since Christians are not under the Law, they are free to do whatever they please?
Not at all. “You were, of course, called for freedom, brothers; only do not use this freedom as an inducement for the flesh, but through love slave for one another. For the entire Law stands fulfilled in one saying, namely: ‘You must love your neighbour as yourself.’” (Gal. 5:13, 14)
clearly we are not free to act with disregard for others, for we are still obligated by the law of love.
Showing that such obligation to love takes the place of commandments found in the Decalogue (and not just of the so-called ceremonial law) are the words found at Romans 13:8-10: “Do not you people be owing anybody a single thing, except to love one another; for he that loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. For the law code, ‘You must not commit adultery, You must not murder, You must not steal, You must not covet,’ and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this word, namely, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor,’ therefore love is the law’s fulfillment.” Because of the fundamental importance of love, Jesus did not refer to any of the Ten Commandments when asked what was the greatest one, but showed that the greatest commandment was to love God with one’s whole heart, soul, mind and strength.—Mark 12:29, 30.
04 Jan 10
Originally posted by galveston75look how we are in agreement once again my Texan cousin!
Jesus fullfield the laws as he never sinned. But we should still honor the laws in principle as they are still a very good guidelines in moral, health, business, etc, issues. But Jesus gave the new law to love your neighbor as yourself and this in itself would cover many of the old Mosaic laws.
The old Mosaic laws were implemented to keep God's people ...[text shortened]... ow need Jesus to be that helper that we need to have forgiveness and help from our God Jehovah.
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04 Jan 10
Originally posted by 667joeAs others have already explained, the old law is abolished. This is one of the foundational elements of Christianity. In Acts, there is a dispute about whether Christians should impose Jewish law onto the gentiles. Eventually the council decides not to. St. Paul argues that it is not the purity of the food that matters but the inner purity of the heart. St. Paul argues that the old law was a necessary precursor, giving the Hebrews a moral code which could teach them purity; however in Christ, the law is fulfilled as they realise that the inner purity matters most. It is not picking and choosing; it is the foundation of how Christians see the old testament.
Leviticus admonishes gays, however it also says people who work on the sabbeth and children who sass their parents should be stoned. How come Christians get to pick which parts of the bible to believe or not to believe? Eating pork is forbidden, but many Christians eat pork.
05 Jan 10
Originally posted by galveston75so basically you just gave us a lot of information for which we didn't ask.
Jesus fullfield the laws as he never sinned. But we should still honor the laws in principle as they are still a very good guidelines in moral, health, business, etc, issues. But Jesus gave the new law to love your neighbor as yourself and this in itself would cover many of the old Mosaic laws.
The old Mosaic laws were implemented to keep God's people ...[text shortened]... ow need Jesus to be that helper that we need to have forgiveness and help from our God Jehovah.
let us recap.
gays. should we stone them?
adulterers. should we stone them?
children who speak smack to their parents. should we stone them?
he asked how can some christians demand some of the bible to be taken literally and some not so literally?
05 Jan 10
Originally posted by Conrau Knicely put. however what this demonstrates and what zealots can't grasp is that there was once a law that was adequate for a certain time. and later on some people decided they would need a new law. or better said, take the true meaning of the old law and reformulate it. no longer was it deemed necessary to stone an adulterer to death or to have a certain diet. love for one another was to be sufficient.
As others have already explained, the old law is abolished. This is one of the foundational elements of Christianity. In Acts, there is a dispute about whether Christians should impose Jewish law onto the gentiles. Eventually the council decides not to. St. Paul argues that it is not the purity of the food that matters but the inner purity of the heart. St. ...[text shortened]... t. It is not picking and choosing; it is the foundation of how Christians see the old testament.
so this shows how christ and his apostles took a moment to reason and see when a law is no longer just or accomplishes what was meant to. sure it could be argued that jesus had a direct line to god and god told him what to do. but that would diminish jesus's mental capacity and it would still prove that god changes with time. or better said, humanity changes and the laws must change as well.
05 Jan 10
Originally posted by 667joeEasy - religion is usually forced to change with the times, but the times have not yet forced that particular change.
Leviticus admonishes gays, however it also says people who work on the sabbeth and children who sass their parents should be stoned. How come Christians get to pick which parts of the bible to believe or not to believe? Eating pork is forbidden, but many Christians eat pork.
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06 Jan 10
Originally posted by 667joeDon't stop there - Christians are just as, shall we say, discerning when it comes to what parts of the Sermon on the Mount they wish to adhere to.
Leviticus admonishes gays, however it also says people who work on the sabbeth and children who sass their parents should be stoned. How come Christians get to pick which parts of the bible to believe or not to believe? Eating pork is forbidden, but many Christians eat pork.
06 Jan 10
Originally posted by ZahlanziI did answer the question wether you get it or not...Obviously you don't.
so basically you just gave us a lot of information for which we didn't ask.
let us recap.
gays. should we stone them?
adulterers. should we stone them?
children who speak smack to their parents. should we stone them?
he asked how can some christians demand some of the bible to be taken literally and some not so literally?