1. Standard memberWulebgr
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    21 Nov '05 22:37
    I read it RB.

    Are you rethinking your stance on wine? With so many vineyards, some's gonna ferment, which improves the taste. Unfermented grape juice is terribly bland.
  2. Standard memberRBHILL
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    21 Nov '05 22:57
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    I read it RB.

    Are you rethinking your stance on wine? With so many vineyards, some's gonna ferment, which improves the taste. Unfermented grape juice is terribly bland.
    You missed the point. It is to get people to read the first 6 verses, manly #6.
  3. Donationrwingett
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    21 Nov '05 23:08
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    You missed the point. It is to get people to read the first 6 verses, manly #6.
    #6 is a manly verse, isn't it?
  4. Standard memberRBHILL
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    21 Nov '05 23:22
    Originally posted by rwingett
    #6 is a manly verse, isn't it?
    So are you saying that you need to be manly to get to heaven?
  5. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    21 Nov '05 23:292 edits
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    So are you saying that you need to be manly to get to heaven?
    There have been
    so many times where
    you take a quote out
    of context... and just
    say, "no, you don't
    understand".

    The Bible is not a riddle
    book understandable by
    Born Agains... Someone
    is going to come along
    and explain the true
    meaning again in this
    thread...

    and your next...

    and your next...

    Read the whole thing,
    and think about all the
    verses together. You
    are just picking to please.

    P-

    [Formated for easy reading ©]
  6. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    21 Nov '05 23:38
    12. "Amen, amen, I am telling you, that whoever believes in me, these
    works that I do, they will also do; and that greater than these they will
    do, [now] that I go to the Father.



    So, you belive... are you also able to do these works? What does 12 mean???

    P-
  7. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    21 Nov '05 23:40
    11. "Believe [it] that I am in my Father, and my Father is in me; and if
    not, believe [then] in the works.


    Does this mean If I believe in what Jesus teaches, that is good enough? I do... so I am saved... as are many.

    What does 11 mean?

    P-
  8. Standard memberWulebgr
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    22 Nov '05 00:151 edit
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    You missed the point. It is to get people to read the first 6 verses, manly [sic] #6. -- presumably, RB means "mainly" here. But, nevertheless, it serves as an example of parapraxis, as Freud employed the term.
    You arrogant fool. I memorized the whole chapter more than fifteen years ago. I did so when my church was studying the whole thing in depth during Lent (no it was not a Catholic church, some Protestant churches find value in Lent, too). If your church has some teaching that I've missed, it is outside historic Evangelical Christianity, which would mean that your group is a cult. No surprises there.
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    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    11. "Believe [it] that I am in my Father, and my Father is in me; and if
    not, believe [then] in the works.


    Does this mean If I believe in what Jesus teaches, that is good enough? I do... so I am saved... as are many.

    What does 11 mean?

    P-
    I think verse 11 means that Jesus is just like God in character, kindness, love, compassion,etc. In this same book He says that He came to declare God.
    John 1:18
    18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
    (NKJ)


    However, this is not to confuse Jesus the man, as God. He was "like" God as I said above. This verse says the same thing.

    Heb 1:1-4
    1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
    2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds(ages);
    3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
    4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
    (NKJ)

    The "greater works" would be something Jesus could not do at the time. Which I believe, is that Christians can "lead" people to Christ and to the "new birth" which was not yet avaliable.
  10. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    22 Nov '05 14:44
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I think verse 11 means that Jesus is just like God in character, kindness, love, compassion,etc. ...
    I don't agree... if so... why would it read...

    11. "Believe [it] that I am in my Father, and my Father is in me; and if not, believe [then] in the works.

    P-
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    22 Nov '05 23:03
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    I don't agree... if so... why would it read...

    11. "Believe [it] that I am in my Father, and my Father is in me; [b]and if not
    , believe [then] in the works.

    P-[/b]
    "In the Father and the Father in me is a term used throughout the bible.
    Also in Christ and Christ in me...

    Col 1:27
    27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
    (NKJ)

    Rom 8:1
    1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
    (NKJ)
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