21 Nov 05
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Originally posted by RBHILLThere have been
So are you saying that you need to be manly to get to heaven?
so many times where
you take a quote out
of context... and just
say, "no, you don't
understand".
The Bible is not a riddle
book understandable by
Born Agains... Someone
is going to come along
and explain the true
meaning again in this
thread...
and your next...
and your next...
Read the whole thing,
and think about all the
verses together. You
are just picking to please.
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22 Nov 05
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Originally posted by RBHILLYou arrogant fool. I memorized the whole chapter more than fifteen years ago. I did so when my church was studying the whole thing in depth during Lent (no it was not a Catholic church, some Protestant churches find value in Lent, too). If your church has some teaching that I've missed, it is outside historic Evangelical Christianity, which would mean that your group is a cult. No surprises there.
You missed the point. It is to get people to read the first 6 verses, manly [sic] #6. -- presumably, RB means "mainly" here. But, nevertheless, it serves as an example of parapraxis, as Freud employed the term.
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22 Nov 05
Originally posted by PhlabibitI think verse 11 means that Jesus is just like God in character, kindness, love, compassion,etc. In this same book He says that He came to declare God.
11. "Believe [it] that I am in my Father, and my Father is in me; and if
not, believe [then] in the works.
Does this mean If I believe in what Jesus teaches, that is good enough? I do... so I am saved... as are many.
What does 11 mean?
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John 1:18
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
(NKJ)
However, this is not to confuse Jesus the man, as God. He was "like" God as I said above. This verse says the same thing.
Heb 1:1-4
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds(ages);
3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
(NKJ)
The "greater works" would be something Jesus could not do at the time. Which I believe, is that Christians can "lead" people to Christ and to the "new birth" which was not yet avaliable.
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Originally posted by Phlabibit"In the Father and the Father in me is a term used throughout the bible.
I don't agree... if so... why would it read...
11. "Believe [it] that I am in my Father, and my Father is in me; [b]and if not, believe [then] in the works.
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Also in Christ and Christ in me...
Col 1:27
27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
(NKJ)
Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
(NKJ)