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Originally posted by SuzianneWrong on all counts. Sadly, you used to be more reasonable.
No, wrong. I asked Wolfgang. Not other atheists, not you. There's a distinct difference between you and Wolfgang. As you said, he wants to know what I think. You don't give a rat's ass.
BTW, reality is in the eye of the beholder. YOUR reality says faith is useless. MY reality says faith is important. Pardon me if I don't subscribe to your "reality ...[text shortened]...
"Reality doesn't care if you believe it or not." First thing you've said right in a long time.
If I didn't care what you thought I wouldn't be here. And I wouldn't ask you
questions.
Second, Reality is not in the eye of the beholder, Reality is that which doesn't
care if you believe it or not. The two concepts are mutually exclusive.
And faith is a bad way of forming beliefs in ANY universe/reality.
I have provided [as have others] excellent reasons why this is, you have never
presented any reasons why faith is a good method for forming beliefs.
All you have ever said is that the being you believe based on faith tells you that
you should believe in it based on faith... Which is a nice self reinforcing delusion.
You accuse me of ignorance of what... exactly? What is it you think I am ignorant of,
ie don't know about, that would change whether or not I believe in a god?
You run away in fear any time someone deploys a rational argument or hints at the use
of logic. Claiming that you don't or can't understand these things...
It's not looking like me who is the ignorant one, or the one trying to maintain ignorance.
Originally posted by wolfgang59The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary to cover the original sin nature of Mary, so that Jesus could be conceived without sin. However, that does not prevent Mary from having the original sin nature.
I'm not claiming to be expert - .......
My understanding is that JC had to be born free of "original sin"
and therefore his conception could not be a sin.
Catholics go a step further by demanding Mary be free of "original sin"
too so came up with the "Immaculate Conception".
Suzianne's position (I think) is that Jesus could not have been marr ...[text shortened]... nception so I see no reason
why they have a need for Jesus to be single.
How do you see it?
God married Adam and Eve before they had sinned, so marriage by itself is not sinful. Therefore, suzianne must be objecting to the marriage by Jesus to a sinful woman.
Originally posted by RJHindsRock solid logic as usual RJ.
The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary to cover the original sin nature of Mary, so that Jesus could be conceived without sin. However, that does not prevent Mary from having the original sin nature.
God married Adam and Eve before they had sinned, so marriage by itself is not sinful. Therefore, suzianne must be objecting to the marriage by Jesus to a sinful woman.
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Originally posted by googlefudgeI used to be more reasonable?
Wrong on all counts. Sadly, you used to be more reasonable.
If I didn't care what you thought I wouldn't be here. And I wouldn't ask you
questions.
Second, Reality is not in the eye of the beholder, Reality is that which doesn't
care if you believe it or not. The two concepts are mutually exclusive.
And faith is a bad way of forming beliefs ...[text shortened]...
It's not looking like me who is the ignorant one, or the one trying to maintain ignorance.
Well, you used to be more respectful, or at least better at giving the impression of such.