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Spirituality

  1. 03 Mar '05 02:50
    Ok lets say I wanted to post somthing from Albert Einstein(Read Below) This story is not a debate, but If I post it in general, ppl will make a debate of it, Its not really spiritual, Its a little scienctific too, so I dont think it should go there.
    So will it be mod. if I post it here? I guess theres one way to find out

    A friend told me this story.

    The university professor challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?"

    A student bravely replied "yes, He did!"

    "God created everything?" The professor asked.

    "Yes sir", the student replied.
    The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil".
    The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth. Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?"

    "Of course," replied the professor.
    The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

    "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"

    The students snickered at the young man's question. The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat.
    The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"

    The professor responded, "Of course it does".

    The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."


    Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil exist?"
    Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."
    To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

    The professor sat down.
    The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
  2. 03 Mar '05 03:04
    Originally posted by flyUnity
    Ok lets say I wanted to post somthing from Albert Einstein(Read Below) This story is not a debate, but If I post it in general, ppl will make a debate of it, Its not really spiritual, Its a little scienctific too, so I dont think it should go there.
    So will it be mod. if I post it here? I guess theres one way to find out

    A friend told me this story.
    ...[text shortened]... ht."

    The professor sat down.
    The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
    This seems a pretty good place to post it. I heard that story too, though not attributed to Einstein. Einstein said (later in life, I think) that he believed in Spinoza's God, which, I believe is just the sum total of everything in the universe--the cosmos "acting" as a whole. Spinoza was "excommunicated" from the Jewish religious community for this.
  3. 03 Mar '05 03:12
    Lol I actually posted this in debates. and it was moved to here, So that answers my question
  4. 03 Mar '05 05:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by flyUnity
    ...The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
    That's a cute story, but I am doubtful that it can honestly be attributed to Einstein. I imagine your source added the Einstein name to give the story a little more punch.

    At any rate, I have read some biographies of Einstein, and one of them said that he went through a brief phase of religiosity (Judaism) at age 13, and then quit it as suddenly as he started it, never to return to the Jewish fold, theologically speaking. (Of course he became a Zionist, but that is 'Jewish' in a different sense.)
  5. 03 Mar '05 05:49 / 1 edit
    double post, sorry
  6. Standard member Exy
    Damn fine Clan!
    03 Mar '05 11:28
    Originally posted by flyUnity
    Ok lets say I wanted to post somthing from Albert Einstein(Read Below) This story is not a debate, but If I post it in general, ppl will make a debate of it, Its not really spiritual, Its a little scienctific too, so I dont think it should go there.
    So will it be mod. if I post it here? I guess theres one way to find out

    A friend told me this story.
    ...[text shortened]... ht."

    The professor sat down.
    The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
    I disagree with you - I think that your story, which is a very famous one of course, naturally belongs in this forum. It is a highly spiritual piece.
  7. Standard member wib
    Stay outta my biznez
    03 Mar '05 11:41
    Originally posted by flyUnity
    Ok lets say I wanted to post somthing from Albert Einstein(Read Below) This story is not a debate, but If I post it in general, ppl will make a debate of it, Its not really spiritual, Its a little scienctific too, so I dont think it should go there.
    So will it be mod. if I post it here? I guess theres one way to find out

    A friend told me this story.
    ...[text shortened]... ht."

    The professor sat down.
    The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
    Typical Christian "Glurge". Go to snopes.com. They have this story there. It's an urban legend. Or as I prefer to call it, a lie.



  8. Standard member thesonofsaul
    King of the Ashes
    03 Mar '05 12:25
    Originally posted by Paul Dirac
    That's a cute story, but I am doubtful that it can honestly be attributed to Einstein. I imagine your source added the Einstein name to give the story a little more punch.

    At any rate, I have read some biographies of Einstein, and one of them said that he went through a brief phase of religiosity (Judaism) at age 13, and then quit it as suddenl ...[text shortened]... ogically speaking. (Of course he became a Zionist, but that is 'Jewish' in a different sense.)
    Are you suggesting that someone would change a spiritual story to give it more effect? Blasphemy! Everyone knows that when something is written down it becomes the true Word of God. Let's see how the "logic" would go. It is a provavble fact that Albert Einstein existed. This story is about Mr. Einstein. Therefore the story is 100% true.

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  9. Standard member CalJust
    It is what it is
    03 Mar '05 14:04
    Originally posted by wib
    Typical Christian "Glurge". Go to snopes.com. They have this story there. It's an urban legend. Or as I prefer to call it, a lie.



    The fact that the writer attributed this to Albert Einstein, is a red herring. Totally distracting and diluting the issue.

    I have also heard the story before, but not attributed to AE.

    Whether it was indeed AE or Joe Bloggs who said it, is immaterial. The point that the story makes is, however, not.
  10. Standard member wib
    Stay outta my biznez
    03 Mar '05 14:13
    Originally posted by CalJust
    The fact that the writer attributed this to Albert Einstein, is a red herring. Totally distracting and diluting the issue.

    I have also heard the story before, but not attributed to AE.

    Whether it was indeed AE or Joe Bloggs who said it, is immaterial. The point that the story makes is, however, not.
    No. The story is garbage. Trying to prove that evil exists because of the lack of God in someone's life is pointless.

    Humans committed evil acts before they ever knew of any religion. Humans are still committing them now. Whether they have God in their lives or not is irrelevant. For example, Catholic priests.

    The story above is sensationalism, using a well known "intellectual" as the hero who puts the non-believing professor in his place.

    It's BS.
  11. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    03 Mar '05 14:21
    Originally posted by CalJust
    The fact that the writer attributed this to Albert Einstein, is a red herring. Totally distracting and diluting the issue.

    I have also heard the story before, but not attributed to AE.

    Whether it was indeed AE or Joe Bloggs who said it, is immaterial. The point that the story makes is, however, not.
    The story is a lie on every front. The attribution to Albert Einstein is false and so is the content. I do not have god in my heart and I don't go around committing evil. What the story is claiming is that only christians are capable of behaving ethically, which is demonstrably false. Ony shallow minded people seem to think they are incapable of behaving morally on their own accord and that they need the threat of divine punishment to keep them on the straight and narrow. The story is contemptible in every regard.
  12. 03 Mar '05 15:13
    Originally posted by flyUnity
    Ok lets say I wanted to post somthing from Albert Einstein(Read Below) This story is not a debate, but If I post it in general, ppl will make a debate of it, Its not really spiritual, Its a little scienctific too, so I dont think it should go there.
    So will it be mod. if I post it here? I guess theres one way to find out

    A friend told me this story.
    ...[text shortened]... ht."

    The professor sat down.
    The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
    Funny and true.
  13. Standard member dyl
    03 Mar '05 16:22 / 1 edit
    A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
    Albert Einstein (1879-1955)


    I hope that quote's fair dinkum, at least.