16 Sep '09 09:24>2 edits
In Thread 117452, jaywill submitted the following video as demonstration of physical science support for intelligent design.
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The video captures a talk by Lee Strobel, in which he presents a particular version of the design argument which relates to the "finely tuned" physical and cosmological properties of the universe. Strobel's basic argument is as follows. The universe contains a number (Strobel claims >30) of physical and cosmological constants that are extremely finely tuned. These constants are "finely tuned", he maintains, in the sense that if any one of them were to differ even minutely from its actual value intelligent life in the universe would be impossible. Stroble insists that this is extremely good evidence for an intelligent designer. The basic idea here is that since the conditions for life are so extraordinarily stringent (all these constants must be tuned just so to make life possible); and since nevertheless we exist and our universe therefore must have just these right conditions; and since the probability that this all just arose by chance is presumably insanely small; then we should endorse intelligent design because it offers greater plausibility.
The first-order intuition that Strobel is trying to push is the idea that the probability of a finely-tuned universe given intelligent design is much larger than the probability of a finely-tuned universe given chance. But he fails to account for observational selection effect. If you watch the video, Stroble himself maintains that if the universe were not finely-tuned, then intelligent life would be impossible. (And, of course, Strobel also maintains that intelligent life does exist in the universe.) Thus, we should also be conditioning on essentially a (weak) anthropic principle – one that is actually entailed by Strobel's own position. That is, Strobel's own position entails that intelligent life exists and therefore that the universe must be finely-tuned. But when we account for this in our conditioning (again, we are just conditioning on Strobel's own entailment), his argument no longer makes any sense. The probability that the universe is finely tuned given the conjunction of [intelligent design and that intelligent life exists and therefore the universe must be finely tuned] is of course the same as the probability that the universe is finely tuned given the conjunction of [chance and that intelligent life exists and therefore the universe must be finely tuned].
The point here is that such "fine tuning" arguments seem to fail when we account for weak anthropic principle. Depending on the form of weak anthropic principle, the "finely tuned" line of thought only seems to, if anything, undermine the notion of intelligent design. For example, check out the following article that discusses this in much more depth (and there is also a pertinent work by Sober that is referenced in the article):
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/super.cfm
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The video captures a talk by Lee Strobel, in which he presents a particular version of the design argument which relates to the "finely tuned" physical and cosmological properties of the universe. Strobel's basic argument is as follows. The universe contains a number (Strobel claims >30) of physical and cosmological constants that are extremely finely tuned. These constants are "finely tuned", he maintains, in the sense that if any one of them were to differ even minutely from its actual value intelligent life in the universe would be impossible. Stroble insists that this is extremely good evidence for an intelligent designer. The basic idea here is that since the conditions for life are so extraordinarily stringent (all these constants must be tuned just so to make life possible); and since nevertheless we exist and our universe therefore must have just these right conditions; and since the probability that this all just arose by chance is presumably insanely small; then we should endorse intelligent design because it offers greater plausibility.
The first-order intuition that Strobel is trying to push is the idea that the probability of a finely-tuned universe given intelligent design is much larger than the probability of a finely-tuned universe given chance. But he fails to account for observational selection effect. If you watch the video, Stroble himself maintains that if the universe were not finely-tuned, then intelligent life would be impossible. (And, of course, Strobel also maintains that intelligent life does exist in the universe.) Thus, we should also be conditioning on essentially a (weak) anthropic principle – one that is actually entailed by Strobel's own position. That is, Strobel's own position entails that intelligent life exists and therefore that the universe must be finely-tuned. But when we account for this in our conditioning (again, we are just conditioning on Strobel's own entailment), his argument no longer makes any sense. The probability that the universe is finely tuned given the conjunction of [intelligent design and that intelligent life exists and therefore the universe must be finely tuned] is of course the same as the probability that the universe is finely tuned given the conjunction of [chance and that intelligent life exists and therefore the universe must be finely tuned].
The point here is that such "fine tuning" arguments seem to fail when we account for weak anthropic principle. Depending on the form of weak anthropic principle, the "finely tuned" line of thought only seems to, if anything, undermine the notion of intelligent design. For example, check out the following article that discusses this in much more depth (and there is also a pertinent work by Sober that is referenced in the article):
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/super.cfm