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    The Four Horses Begins The Great Tribulation

    I believe the revealing of the White Horse and Rider is first, because it is the prominent feature that begins the endtimes events leading right in to the tribulations of those days. This Rider on the White Horse is the spirit of the Antichrist or the Mahdi, savior of Islam, who rides in peacefully with a bow, signifying a position of strength, but with no arrows, so that he can deceive Israel into thinking he has peaceful intentions. So he is given a crown and declared King for his ability to negotiate peaceful agreements and goes about conguering and conquering by the deception of peace.

    The peace from the White Horseman is short lived, because the Jihad spirit of the Red Horse is unleased by which they kill each other because of their sharia law and inability to remain peaceful with each other and because of their hatred of Israel and Christians. So they are gathered to go to war against Israel causing great shedding of blood by war, which is symbolized by the great sword.

    But before these two Horsemen can finish their ride, a Black Horse and Rider is unleashed that is another demonic spirit of Islam with the intentions of toppling the economic systems of the Capitalist Christians and Jews by attacking their commerce. All this leads to economic hardship for those not having the ability to buy and sell throught the mark of the beast empire of Islam. However, they are not allowed to harm the servants of God, symbolized by the oil and wine.

    Then finally, the Pale Green Horse and rider represents the full release of the Islamic demon spirits to wreak havoc in the Great tribulation period with all four horsemen riding with the intent to conquer Israel and the whole world with every means possible. Satan's wrath is now fully unleashed at this time through the Islamic beast empire.
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    White Horse - Parthian conquerers
    Red Horse - Roman legions
    Black Horse - wealthy merchants and aristocrats
    Green Horse - Death of Classical Age, beginning of Dark Age, much misery

    Mark of the Beast - Roman coins with Nero's face
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    24 Aug '14 20:03
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    White Horse - Parthian conquerers
    Red Horse - Roman legions
    Black Horse - wealthy merchants and aristocrats
    Green Horse - Death of Classical Age, beginning of Dark Age, much misery

    Mark of the Beast - Roman coins with Nero's face
    The Parthians had already done their conquering before the Book of Revelation was written.

    Do you believe people put Roman coins on their foreheads to buy things?
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    Apparently seals took tuberculosis to the Americas [1]. So this must be a rather slow apocalypse.

    [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28871719
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    Originally posted by DeepThought
    Apparently seals took tuberculosis to the Americas [1]. So this must be a rather slow apocalypse.

    [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28871719
    Your DeepThought is not Deep enough.
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    25 Aug '14 06:091 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The Parthians had already done their conquering before the Book of Revelation was written.

    Do you believe people put Roman coins on their foreheads to buy things?
    The coins had images of Nero's forehead or hand.

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    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    The coins had images of Nero's forehead or hand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q941_FwId0
    Ha ha. That is pretty stupid.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Ha ha. That is pretty stupid.
    The whole book of Rev was written as a tract against Rome. That is the fact. Then in the year 400 or so, it was taken over and codified as a scripture by the council of Nicea so billions of people get duped generation after generation after generation.

    All of them waiting in vain for some never coming tribulation.

    Any tribulation will be mankind's doing or massive volcano's or some such, not some BS tale from some god, in this case a non-existent, non interacting god.

    You have no refutation for the fact your so-called god let a hundred million die in the 20th century from despots.

    If it lets that many people die with no response, it will let all 7 billion of us die with also no response.

    You are just to deeply programmed to EVER see your way out of that mind blasting propaganda.
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    The whole book of Rev was written as a tract against Rome. That is the fact. Then in the year 400 or so, it was taken over and codified as a scripture by the council of Nicea so billions of people get duped generation after generation after generation.

    All of them waiting in vain for some never coming tribulation.

    Any tribulation will be mankind's doi ...[text shortened]...

    You are just to deeply programmed to EVER see your way out of that mind blasting propaganda.
    The real revelation is that the book is spurious.
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    25 Aug '14 17:42
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    The real revelation is that the book is spurious.
    That too.
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    The whole book of Rev was written as a tract against Rome. That is the fact. Then in the year 400 or so, it was taken over and codified as a scripture by the council of Nicea so billions of people get duped generation after generation after generation.

    All of them waiting in vain for some never coming tribulation.

    Any tribulation will be mankind's doi ...[text shortened]...

    You are just to deeply programmed to EVER see your way out of that mind blasting propaganda.
    Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.

    Revelation 1:3 NASB)
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    The Fifth Seal—Vision of the Souls of the Martyrs waiting on the judgment of the wicked living on the earth.

    When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.

    (Revelation 6:9-11 NASB)

    PERSECUTION THE FIFTH SEAL

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    It is better to die with Jesus, than to live with Islam.

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    26 Aug '14 04:44
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The Four Horses Begins The Great Tribulation

    I believe the revealing of the White Horse and Rider is first, because it is the prominent feature that begins the endtimes events leading right in to the tribulations of those days. This Rider on the White Horse is the spirit of the Antichrist or the Mahdi, savior of Islam, who rides in peacefully with a bow, ...[text shortened]... ns possible. Satan's wrath is now fully unleashed at this time through the Islamic beast empire.
    Clearly the Great Day of the Lord preceeds the tribulation. And the Great Day and the sixth seal are one in the same. Please explain how the first five seals come after the Great Day!
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    Originally posted by Pudgenik
    Clearly the Great Day of the Lord preceeds the tribulation. And the Great Day and the sixth seal are one in the same. Please explain how the first five seals come after the Great Day!
    The Sixth Seal—FEAR OF THE COMING WRATH OF THE GREAT DAY OF THE LORD

    I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

    (Revelation 6:12-16 NASB)

    "I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
    "The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes.

    (Joel 2:30-31 NASB)

    “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

    (Matthew 24:29-31 NASB)

    For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

    (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 NASB)

    I suspect that all of these are referring to the same event, that is, the coming of the Lord which is revealed to be immediately after the tribulation.

    A solar eclipse can result in the sun be darkened and a lunar eclispe can results in the moon not giving its light or looking red like blood.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The Sixth Seal—FEAR OF THE COMING WRATH OF THE GREAT DAY OF THE LORD

    [quote] I looked when He broke [b]the sixth seal
    , and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a ...[text shortened]... ened and a lunar eclispe can results in the moon not giving its light or looking red like blood.[/b]
    It's actually referring to the authors wish to defeat Rome. That's all it is, a tract against Rome disguised so well people took it seriously as a religious tract.
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