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05 Jun 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDid you not get how stupid Pascal's Wager the last umpteen times you brought it up?
[b]Pascal's Wager Simplified
Options: 1) Accept God's Grace Gift of eternal life with an uncoerced decision to believe [place your confidence] in Christ for your salvation; 2) Reject the Person and Work of Christ as flimsy fiction. Risk/Reward Question: What if you're wrong?[/b]
http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/pascal.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Pascal%27s_Wager
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=File:Cectic-Without_Hesitation.jpg
It's an epically stupid argument that has been refuted. Many many many times.
So stop making it. You're just wasting everyone's time.
05 Jun 14
One problem with Pascal's Wager Simplified:
1. Explain to me why the same argument does not apply to every other religion, including past or invented ones.
2. If you can't explain 1., then explain why you are not a member of all those religions. ie do you actually believe the argument is valid and act on it, or do you only expect other people to do so with regards to your religion?
05 Jun 14
Originally posted by twhitehead"1. Explain to me why the same argument does not apply to every other religion, including past or invented ones." -twhitehead
One problem with Pascal's Wager Simplified:
1. Explain to me why the same argument does not apply to every other religion, including past or invented ones.
2. If you can't explain 1., then explain why you are not a member of all those religions. ie do you actually believe the argument is valid and act on it, or do you only expect other people to do so with regards to your religion?
Thanks for your thoughtful statement of "One problem with Pascal's Wager Simplified"; please identify these other options.
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05 Jun 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAllah
"1. Explain to me why the same argument does not apply to every other religion, including past or invented ones." -twhitehead
Thanks for your thoughtful statement of "One problem with Pascal's Wager Simplified"; please identify these other options.
FSM
Thor
Loki
Ra
The god that only rewards Atheist's
Ect ect ect
....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities
05 Jun 14
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions
"1. Explain to me why the same argument does not apply to every other religion, including past or invented ones." -twhitehead
Thanks for your thoughtful statement of "One problem with Pascal's Wager Simplified"; please identify these other options.
05 Jun 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyHow can a decision be “uncoerced” if there are risks involved in not choosing this option? It is safe to say that if a person chooses your first option because of perceived risks (specifically the threat of being sentenced to spend an eternity in hell), that decision is being coerced.
[b]Pascal's Wager Simplified
Options: 1) Accept God's Grace Gift of eternal life with an uncoerced decision to believe [place your confidence] in Christ for your salvation; 2) Reject the Person and Work of Christ as flimsy fiction. Risk/Reward Question: What if you're wrong?[/b]
05 Jun 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThanks for your thoughtless response to a thoughtful rebuttal; please identify your inability to engage in serious discussion.
"1. Explain to me why the same argument does not apply to every other religion, including past or invented ones." -twhitehead
Thanks for your thoughtful statement of "One problem with Pascal's Wager Simplified"; please identify these other options.
05 Jun 14
Originally posted by googlefudgeThank you googlefudge; I'll incorporate your listing ["Allah... FSM... Thor... Loki... Ra"] of persons and/or entities
Allah
FSM
Thor
Loki
Ra
The god that only rewards Atheist's
Ect ect ect
....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities
with my reply to twhitehead. Please clarify the identity of "The god that only rewards Atheist's Ect ect ect".
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05 Jun 14
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby"The god that only rewards Atheist's" is one of the infinite* number of possible
Thank you googlefudge; I'll incorporate your listing ["Allah... FSM... Thor... Loki... Ra"] of persons and/or entities
with my reply to twhitehead. Please clarify the identity of "The god that only rewards Atheist's Ect ect ect".
god concepts that exist in 'god space'**.
It is a god that only sends people to heaven if they don't believe in the existence
of gods.
*If not infinite then extremely large, this point is debatable and may depend on
whether infinite recursion is allowed, and whether or not god concepts are quantum.
**Otherwise known as the 'plane of deities', 'The phase space of the gods', and Dunmanifestin.
05 Jun 14
Originally posted by PatNovak"How can a decision be “uncoerced” if there are risks involved in not choosing this option?" PatNovak. Same risk/reward reason that there are risks involved in choosing or not choosing "2) Reject the Person and Work of Christ as flimsy fiction." Human life on earth isn't all fun and games. There are many decisions we make which have significant consequences.
How can a decision be “uncoerced” if there are risks involved in not choosing this option? It is safe to say that if a person chooses your first option because of perceived risks (specifically the threat of being sentenced to spend an eternity in hell), that decision is being coerced.