@suzianne saidThis is why I suggested that Luke 18:11 is a red herring. Luke 18:11 does not mean that there are no "sins". Luke 18:11 does not answer the question: is abortion and homosexual sex "sinful"?
Do you think the meaning of Luke 18:11 would be any different had the Pharisee said, "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, terminating pregnancies, or laying with another man, or even as this publican"?
@suzianne saidMaybe in your circles people pray like that, but I have never heard such a prayer from even the most corrupt or arrogant Christian. So you are totally missing the point Jesus is making. The point being that people should pray and ask God to forgive their sins. In your case whatever personal sins you commit, and from your own admission there appear to be several, so just ask for Gods mercy and forgiveness. Instead what you are doing, no doubt because your mind is overrun with guilt, is lashing out at people who promote the teachings of Christ and calling them Pharisees. Go clean up your life.
Do you think the meaning of Luke 18:11 would be any different had the Pharisee said, "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, terminating pregnancies, or laying with another man, or even as this publican"?
@rajk999 saidShe seems to be claiming that Luke 18:11 means that a Christian cannot identify what is "sinful" because to do so would be "pharisaical".
Maybe in your circles people pray like that, but I have never heard such a prayer from even the most corrupt or arrogant Christian. So you are totally missing the point Jesus is making. The point being that people should pray and ask God to forgive their sins. In your case whatever personal sins you commit, and from your own admission there appear to be several, so just as ...[text shortened]... ut at people who promote the teachings of Christ and calling them Pharisees. Go clean up your life.
It's such an oddly weak argument that I think it is, in fact, merely a rhetorical fig leaf to cover the fact that she does not have the courage to address head-on whether or not abortion and homosexual sex are "sinful".
@fmf saidAll that is a sign that she has a guilty conscience, and a weak mind. This is why I keep telling people to leave their personal lives out of the discussion because it taints the conversation with irrelevant nonsense. Who cares about her personal sins and what she does? Nobody.
She seems to be claiming that Luke 18:11 means that a Christian cannot identify what is "sinful" because to do so would be "pharisaical".
It's such an oddly weak argument that I think it is, in fact, merely a rhetorical fig leaf to cover the fact that she does not have the courage to address head-on whether or not abortion and homosexual sex are "sinful".