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Both, since eventually they'll realise neither can win under gods eyes and instead they'll gang up on the atheists.

Originally posted by vistesd
Well, since the creation of the world was in the year 3760 (on either March 29th or September 25th; apparently there is some dispute), no evidence of anything prior to that date (e.g., Sumerian writing, fossil records of pre-history humans—or anything else—geological studies, etc., etc., etc.) counts. There is really no way to date anything prior to 3760 ...[text shortened]... much later attributed to Da Vinci, with an appropriate myth created to support that attribution.

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Originally posted by vistesd
Well, since the creation of the world was in the year 3760 (on either March 29th or September 25th; apparently there is some dispute), no evidence of anything prior to that date (e.g., Sumerian writing, fossil records of pre-history humans—or anything else—geological studies, etc., etc., etc.) counts. There is really no way to date anything prior to 3760 ...[text shortened]... much later attributed to Da Vinci, with an appropriate myth created to support that attribution.

Oh my goodness is vistesd talking smack?

Originally posted by telerion
Oh my goodness is vistesd talking smack?

He's lost touch with his inner buddha.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Given the current political/quasi-religious machinations, it appears that we are on the verge of a return to the all-out (so-called) holy wars of the Dark Ages.

The last round of battles yielded a an 'X' in the 'Win" column for the 'Christians,' while the hapless Muslims were forced into retreat to lick their collective wounds for a few hundred years.
...[text shortened]... either sides policies, which of the two would you prefer to see 'win' this time around?

The ideology of Market-Liberalism and Democracy will win.

The present conflict has nothing to do with Christian religion and Islam. A bunch of political criminals has hijacked the religion of Islam to fight Western liberal values, liberal freedom and democracy in order to implement their own totalitarian political ideas. They are called the Jihadists.

What you are trying to do is trying to score some cheap political points against your ideological homeland enemy, Christianity.

This kind of political opportunism can turn out to be dangerous. Not just for you personally, but also for your country. It is making you blind for the political reality and for the consequenses of these superficial stances.

Originally posted by rwingett
Maybe they'll bleed each other dry and leave the rest of us alone.

Do you think the Jihadists will leave you secular lefties alone ? Why ?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Doubtful, if history is any indication. Thanks to Abraham's blunder, these two (really, three) groups will be around for all of human history.

Any final solution in mind for this problem, Freak ?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
The ideology of Market-Liberalism and Democracy will win.

The present conflict has nothing to do with Christian religion and Islam. A bunch of political criminals has hijacked the religion of Islam to fight Western liberal values, liberal freedom and democracy in order to implement their own totalitarian political ideas. They are called the Jihadists.

...[text shortened]... aking you blind for the political reality and for the consequenses of these superficial stances.

So, in your opinion, the current torrent of jihad threats the pope is receiving (and the bullets his followers are welcoming into their bodies) has nothing to do with a holy war? I didn't say it wasn't politicized: in fact, I said as much from the onset.

I don't believe Christians should try to make this world Christian; I do believe we can fight for common ground, which, as you point out, is what the terrorists are after. They do not want democracy or any form of a republic. That wasn't the point of this thread, however.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Any final solution in mind for this problem, Freak ?

I would much rather have the so-called Christian side win, if the last four hundred years of Western civilization are any indication of the policies involved.

Originally posted by rwingett
Oh really? Funny, but they've only been around for about 1% of human history now. And unless we all kill each other in some cataclysmic crusade/jihad then we'll be here for a lot longer.

Calling a war for world dominance waged by the forces of capitalist market liberalism and liberal democracy a "crusade" is a bit of an ideological stretch, don't you think ? .... in particular for an ex-socialist, now anarchist, like you.

You're trying to score some cheap political points, but in trying, please don't confuse the goals where you put the balls will you ?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I would much rather have the so-called Christian side win, if the last four hundred years of Western civilization are any indication of the policies involved.

You mean the side of capitalist market liberalism and liberal democracy, right ? The divison Christianity/Islam is a false dichotomy in describing the sides in the present conflict.

I view the problem as being theocracy's in general and not so much the religions in and of themselves. Think about it, the tanted past of Christiandom can be traced back to theocracy's. For example, just look to the inquisitions, the Crusades, and the Salem witch trials to name a few. It is man's fallen nature that tries to attain personal political power in order to crush opposing views and interests. However, when one is able to volunteer God to be on your side in such an unholy endevour, you then create a powerful moral justification for your actions. We see this today in the world of Islam as the church and state are often seen as one and the same.

As for my vote, I guess I would have to go with Christiandom. After all, it appears the world of Christiandom has matured in the above respect wheras Islam seems to have returned to the Dark Ages.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
You mean the side of capitalist market liberalism and liberal democracy, right ? The divison Christianity/Islam is a false dichotomy in describing the sides in the present conflict.

It has been a false dichotomy since it began, actually. The tenets of either faith do not allow for the type of warmongering and political manipulations that have occured to date.

The labels being used are merely excuses for powergrabbing. However, capitalism is more conducive for spreading the gospel.