Originally posted by Rajk999
Placing people. like Torry, who are fallible, on pedestals, and outward demonstrations of faith [like kneeling down and reading the Bible] is causing you to go astray.
What do you have to say about what Christ said in John 14:21 ? You very rarely quote the teachings of Christ. You are more into your 'people' than into Christ.
Placing people. like Torry, who are fallible, on pedestals, and outward demonstrations of faith [like kneeling down and reading the Bible] is causing you to go astray.
Refering to Christian brothers is not declaring them "infallible". It is
"fellowship" .
Refering to the experience of those who have gone before as Christians is not to put them on a pedestal. It is to benefit from their fellowship.
Refering to the experience of other Christians is not to make their experience a
legal requirement - ie. "R.A. Torrey prayed through the Bible on his kness therefore we make it mandatory that each of us must do so also."
You are just too eager to find something to complain about.
I will continue to point not only to the Bible but to church history. You are just a contrarian starving to exploit some perceived shortcoming of this thread.
What do you have to say about what Christ said in John 14:21 ? You very rarely quote the teachings of Christ. You are more into your 'people' than into Christ.
I quote the words of Christ quite a lot. What is this false charge. What I say about
John 14:21 will be necessarily related to my subject matter. So let's see what it says.
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves Me; And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him." (John 14:21)
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT PRAYREADING THE WORD OF GOD.
Having said that, an excellent way to KEEP the Lord's word in our heart that we may obey His word is to PRAY over His word. For He says that His words ARE
spirit and life. So we should have a habit to execise our human spirit in prayer over His words along with the rest of the Bible.
"It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothng; the words which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63)
Jesus said this after some followers withdrew from following Him. They withdrew because He had told them that unless they ATE His flesh and DRANK His blood, they could not have divine life in them.
"He who eats My felsh and drinks My blood abides in Me and I in him. As the living Father has sent Me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down out of heaven, not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread shall live forever." (John 6:56-58)
This was too hard of a saying for some of the disciple to take. And they began to consider it too hard to follow Jesus -
"Many therefore of His disciples, when they heard this, said, This word is hard; who can hear ?" (v.60)
Of the disciples who remain, Jesus points them to HIS WORDS. It is His words that they have to "eat". To take in His words is to receive Him. Those who reject Christ reject all of His words. Those who "eat" Christ so that they may live by Christ must take in not His physical flesh but His words which are spirit and life.
When the human spirit is born again, we can exercise our human spirit by means of prayer. We take the words of Christ which are spirit and divine life by means of the exercise of our regenerated spirit and we EAT both the word of God, the word of Christ and Christ Himself.
This next part is not explicitly only for Rajk999 [edited]
Do not get hung up on Catholic "transubstantiation". Do not worry about whether the loaf actually becomes Jesus' body or whether the wine actually becomes Jesus' blood. According to the Lord's teaching -
"It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the WORDS which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
Peter admitted to Jesus -
" ... Lord to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life." (v.68)
An excellent way to KEEP His words - the words of eternal life, the words which are spirit and life, is to PRAY over His very words. It is one way to
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, ..." (Col. 3:16)
The
"dwelling" word is the living word. Praying with His words breaths spiritual life into the words. It is like striking flint to ignite a flame. We strike the words of Christ with our praying spirit to cause the living flame of His divine word to indwell us. We first have to have His word dwell in us
richly in order to instantly KEEP His word -
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves Me ..."
We can express our love for Christ, certainly, by not only reading His words but praying over His words. We practically show our love to Him by the taking of words like the bread of life - chew in prayer, digest in prayer, masticate in prayer, assimilate in prayer.
And Jesus Christ will then manifest Himself to such a one. Prayreading is an excellent way to keep the Lord's word for our following and obedience.
The very NOURISHMENT we receive from this living bread is what enables us and strengthens us to go along with Christ.