Zahlanzi,
We may need to find God in our own way as far how we find God, but once we find God, then we have to take His way to heaven.
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John 14; 1-9
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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Matthew 7: 13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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John 10: 7-9
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Wolfgang,
An answer to your multiple choice question is. . .The Jews, and the Gentiles must believe in Christ to be saved.
The old Jewish law is no longer needed to live eternally because Christ came, took our sins on Himself, died, rose again, and ascended back to God. Even the Jews were looking forward for the Messiah to come. Oddly, Herod wanted him dead after he was born to keep Him from being the new King of Israel.
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Romans 3: 9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Galatians 3: 21-26
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Luke 13: 23-28
Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Acts 17: 29-31
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Mark 6: 10-12
And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place.
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Originally posted by KingOnPointHave you ever seen WWTBAM?
Wolfgang,
An answer to your multiple choice question is. . .The Jews, and the Gentiles must believe in Christ to be saved.
The old Jewish law is no longer needed to live eternally because Christ came, took our sins on Himself, died, rose again, and ascended back to God. Even the Jews were looking forward for the Messiah to come. Oddly, Herod wanted ...[text shortened]... day of judgment, than for that city.
And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Wolfgang,
WWTBAM must be the Millionaire show, but your soul and my soul doesn't depend on money. Our souls depend on the grace of God through Jesus Christ.
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Matthew 16: 26
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Originally posted by wolfgang59Why the change of heart on his part? Didn't he get it right or
So god wants Jews to become Christians and ignore some of
the Laws he gave them?
Why the change of heart on his part? Didn't he get it right or
do you think Mosese was bluffing?
do you think Mosese was bluffing?
Unless you understand why the Law was given and for what purpose you will be unable to answer this question, it was never intended to be a permanent feature.
Originally posted by KingOnPointDid Jesus say this?
. .The Jews, and the Gentiles must believe in Christ to be saved....
When Christ sent out his disciples to preach, the message to the Jews was repentance, baptism, and good works. What did John the Baptist preach? The same thing. When Jesus appeared to Saul, his mandate was :
..Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
To believe in Christ is to change and become like Him. It is possible for those who do not know of Christ to become like Him becuase the works of the law is written in their hearts. They do the will of God because their conscience guides them.
Read Romans 2 : 9-15
The failure of modern Christianity which is what you now preach and teach to people is that the word/name Jesus Christ is what is important, rather than the teachings of the man. It is not the name, it is not proclaiming and shouting the name. It is not boasting that you know Him.
It is following His teachings.
Originally posted by wolfgang59Hi wolfgang59,
I see everyone is side-stepping the question.
Christians it seems cannot fathom multiple choice questions.
(only Robbie & RJHinds answered)
I think a fundamental problem with your question is the common one of using the word Christian as a catch-all for a very diverse group of people (as RHP certainly shows, if proof were needed) 😳
I would not at all be surprised if there are Christian groups in all four categories!
My own position would be 4: I have jettisoned the bipolar notion of defining who will get to heaven and who not.
As you may have already gathered from numerous RHP debates, most "Christian" posters will draw the "IN" circle very closely around themselves, leaving everybody else "OUTSIDE". So we have a multitude of exclusive circles, each claiming the Truth!
My own position concerning the Jews (and many other groups - no, let me rather say ALL other groups!) is that Christ is bigger than Christianity, and that the final decision as to who is IN and who is OUT is up to Him - and I am quite happy to let it be like that.
(Now watch the Fundamentalists frothing at the mouth!) 😀
Originally posted by wolfgang59God wants us to Love Him, and love our neighbors as ourselves.
Sparked from the other thread.
Please answer 1,2,3 or 4 with short explanation.
Do Christians believe that their god wants;
1. Jews to follow Mosaic Law?
OR
2. Jews to flout Mosaic Law?
OR
3. Jews to become Christian?
OR
4. Something else which excludes 1,2,3 above?
But God knows the hearts of man, yourself included.
Loving your neighbor, or in other words, helping those that can not return the favor, do it with compassion, love. And you love God without knowing it.
Originally posted by CalJustExcellent. I will leave a seat open for you to play chess in heaven.
Hi wolfgang59,
I think a fundamental problem with your question is the common one of using the word Christian as a catch-all for a very diverse group of people (as RHP certainly shows, if proof were needed) 😳
I would not at all be surprised if there are Christian groups in all four categories!
My own position would be 4: I have jettisoned the bipol ...[text shortened]... quite happy to let it be like that.
(Now watch the Fundamentalists frothing at the mouth!) 😀
Originally posted by CalJustThere is nothing wrong with my question.
Hi wolfgang59,
I think a fundamental problem with your question is the common one of using the word Christian as a catch-all for a very diverse group of people (as RHP certainly shows, if proof were needed) 😳
I would not at all be surprised if there are Christian groups in all four categories!
My own position would be 4: I have jettisoned the bipol ...[text shortened]... quite happy to let it be like that.
(Now watch the Fundamentalists frothing at the mouth!) 😀
It is addressed to Christians but asks what they think of their god.
In other words their private god - the one they believe in.
I did not ask about the Christian god
That would be assuming god is the same to all.
Originally posted by CalJustMatthew 7:14 famously states--
As you may have already gathered from numerous RHP debates, most "Christian" posters will draw the "IN" circle very closely around themselves, leaving everybody else "OUTSIDE".
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Drawing the circle closely around themselves is at least consistent with that scripture.
It isn't the value of any one Christian that gets them to heaven. It isn't the value of any good works. It is Christ the Messiah that does all the saving. Justification comes from only Christ. There is no other name that we can be saved by. Christ is the only way to God. No one can earn his or her way to heaven. If we do not believe in Christ as our Savior, then we are condemned.
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John 14: 6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4: 12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Romans 6: 23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3: 16-19
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
RajK,
If you never believe in Christ as Savior, then you will never be redeemed. Your good works will be vain. It is the same for every human sinner in the world. There is none righteous, no not one. You and I have already blown it. We have sinned too much for good works to mean anything at all for getting us into heaven. The only way to please God is to be sinless. We have already blown it forever.
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Romans 3: 10, 23, 24-27
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.