Originally posted by twhitehead
This is of course the complete opposite of all your arguments so far claiming that an eternal universe is a necessity in the face of an illogical 'S from N'. Now you are saying that S from N is OK as illogicality is not an issue for you.
PRECISELY!! Nothingness is nonsensical really and illogical too.I have got myself in a bind trying follow your argument.
I neither believe in nothingness or S from N. You agree with me as well but you argue that space/time has a start but somehow that this doesn't imply that its start has a boundary with nothing because for you although there is a fixed amount of time that time exists for it does not imply that nothing can ever exist. But if there can be no nothingness then there is somethingness and that somethingness has to exist to prevent any nothingness. You don't think that somethingness(existence) continues forever and that it has temporal limits but you will not allow yourself to define what the borders of those limits are.
How are you able to define the "start" of existence if you rule out non-existence? Surely a start to a universe requires said universe to not exist which implies nothingness?
It's simple . If nothingness is a ridiculous idea then to me saying that somethingess is just temporary and has boundaries to it's existence makes no sense as well . The two go hand in hand. It makes little sense just to say "existence does have a start but that does not imply nothingness because nothingness is ridiculous" . Far better to start from the other way round and say "Nothingness is ridiculous therefore existence cannot be temporary but must be permanent/eternal"
So let's agree , nothingness and S from N is nonsensical. What I need to know from you is how a universe that is NOT around forever and continuously is able to keep nothingness at bay? Surely such a universe could only prevent nothingness for a temporary duration?
You may of course argue that this requires an external time frame but to me it doesn't. You just use the internal one the universe itself provides (eg 12 billion years) .