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    I have some questions regarding the exorcism Jesus performed in which he dealt with the demons calling themselves "Legion".

    There are a couple different versions (one in Mark and one in Luke) and more versions among the various English translations of these books.

    But they all agree that the demons begged Jesus not to send them to a certain place ("out of the country", "into the deep", "into the abyss", etc.) but to instead allow them to enter a herd of swine. He granted this request and then the swine ran down into a lake and drowned.

    (1) Were these evil *spirits* killed when their hosts died?
    (2) If not, where did they go?
    (3) Wherever they went to, why not just send them there directly, instead of letting them infest some pigs?
    (4) Why did the possessed pigs run into the lake and drown?
    (a) Were the pigs so unhappy that they committed suicide? And if so doesn't this imply, first, that they had free will, and second, even if merely crazed, that they were able to control their own bodies despite being possessed by
    demons?
    (b) Did the demons drive the pigs into the lake? If so, what would be the point of killing their hosts, and where did they go upon the deaths of those hosts?
    (c) Did Jesus cause drive the pigs into the lake? If so, where did the demons go after the swine died, and why didn't he just send them there directly?
    (5) Wasn't it mean of Jesus to permit demons to possess the swine? (Mean to the swine, that is.) If not, why wasn't it mean?
    (6) Where was it that the demons didn't want to go to? Out into the unpeopled desert? Outer space? Some other (spiritual) dimension? Why didn't they want to go there? And why did Jesus grant this wish instead of sending them where they didn't want to go?
    (7) Where did the demons come from to begin with? Hell? Are demons (unlike damned human souls) free to come and go from hell (or wherever it is they come from) as they please? And if they come from hell, do human souls and demons meet there, or is hell segregated?
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    11 Apr '08 11:13
    Originally posted by Mark Adkins
    I have some questions regarding the exorcism Jesus performed in which he dealt with the demons calling themselves "Legion".

    There are a couple different versions (one in Mark and one in Luke) and more versions among the various English translations of these books.

    But they all agree that the demons begged Jesus not to send them to a certain place ...[text shortened]... they come from hell, do human souls and demons meet there, or is hell segregated?
    so many questions?? but will try to give my understanding.
    1.. no they did not die but the pigs would have, then went to the abyss, so jesus cast them out,
    2..were they went after only god knows.

    3..jesus agreed not to send them other than the swine as they do not eat this meat thier was no problem.
    4..probibly the shock of the demons entering or maybe something spiritual guidence.
    a.. maybe just fancyed a swim or a wash
    b..doubt it as earlier stated were they went after is for god to know,maybe they still thier
    c.. seems the same question again
    5..they only requested not to go to the abyss which was granted.
    6.. where ever it was it was beyond our eyes as with the gate of heaven and hell
    7.. more than likely cast out of heaven with the devil from before time and adam bannished form eden, no death on the other spiritual side, so they did not fancy the devils domain.
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    11 Apr '08 12:53
    What you should be asking is what Jesus was doing near a heard of swine. Does anyone know who the swine would have belonged to? Jews? Romans? Others?
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    11 Apr '08 20:27
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What you should be asking is what Jesus was doing near a heard of swine. Does anyone know who the swine would have belonged to? Jews? Romans? Others?
    Presumably the swine were owned by someone who had no objection to owning swine. No doubt various ethnic and religious groups were present as minorities. Or perhaps they were a wild herd.

    Of course, I'm arguing about purely fictional events, but logically the question "Whose swine?" does not seem paramount.
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    12 Apr '08 10:13
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What you should be asking is what Jesus was doing near a heard of swine. Does anyone know who the swine would have belonged to? Jews? Romans? Others?
    think they belonged to sourjorners within the land of isreal. Similar to the samaritans, seem to recall they after hearing what jesus had done asked him to leave them as they were afraid of him
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