removing feeding tube

Originally posted by Nemesio
Originally posted by aspviper666
[b]i have EVERY right to impose ANYTHING i want onto ANYONE i want at ANYTIME i want to ...it is called balls and sticking up for my beliefs

This is called oppression. This is what Hitler did.

actually you telling me i have no right to express my opinion is oppression at its finest most MEN stand up for ...[text shortened]... ession playing god and collection agent and seen first hand the greed and corruption

Nemesio[/b]

1.actually you telling me i have no right to express my opinion is oppression at its finest most MEN stand up for what they believe you are doing that urself



2.i have no medical training BUT i am well versed in suffering and death
i work as a butcher and i have put down countless thousands of animals many 1000 lbs or bigger i have seen the reaction of nerves to the knife EVEN AFTER THE BEHEADING OF THE ANIMAL
but I am the mindless one ??? rrrrright

3.it is based on my own personal experience of the medical profession playing god and collection agent and seen first hand the greed and corruption

Originally posted by aspviper666
actually you telling me i have no right to express my opinion is oppression at its finest most MEN stand up for ession playing god and collection agent and seen first hand the greed and corruption

Your post got clipped, but let's be clear:

I never said you didn't have a right to your opinion.

You said I have EVERY right to impose ANYTHING i want
onto ANYONE i want at ANYTIME i want to...

Either you don't know the definition of impose, or you are just like
Hitler.

And, just like you are entitled to your opinion doesn't mean that the
medical or philosophical community has to give it any credence. Given
that it has neither medical nor philosophical merit, there is no reason
that either should.

Nemesio

interesting contradictions(in my oppinion)
first you say "it is you who have no right
to impose your sentimentality upon the medical community."

then you state,"I never said you didn't have a right to your opinion."

well my "sentamentality " IS my oppinion. and i am about as sentimental as a snake.


then you say "Either you don't know the definition of impose, or you are just like Hitler."

i am not the one that said "you have no right" i would defend to the death YOUR right to express yourself and voice your oppinion.
i hardly like the hitler comment as i am not the suppressor here.
impose means "to inflict or enforce in an arbitrary or authoritarian manner"(funk and wagnalls std. deck dictionary)
i thing you need to self examine your words sir
good day sir
peace \m/

Originally posted by aspviper666
interesting contradictions(in my oppinion)
first you say "it is you who have no right
to impose your sentimentality upon the medical community."

then you state,"I never said you didn't have a right to your opinion."

well my "sentamentality " IS my oppinion. and i am about as sentimental as a snake.


then you say "Either you don't kn ...[text shortened]... nk and wagnalls std. deck dictionary)
i thing you need to self examine your words sir
good day

LOL!

Impose means to inflict in an arbitrary manner, as you say.

You write 'I have EVERY right to impose ANYTHING i want onto ANYONE i want at
ANYTIME i want to...'

I don't care what you think. You can think the moon is made of green cheese for
all I care.

The second you suggest that the arbitrary absurdities that you think should be
imposed upon the medical community is when I jump in and scream.

Why?

Because you are demanding satisfcation for something you can't defend except
by how you feel.

You have no right to impose your sentimentality upon the medical community.
You can complain all you want, but to insist upon an absurd position (anytime
and on anyone) makes you Hitler.

Nemesio

P.S., While you are in the dictionary, look up contradictions. You will find that
I have expressed none in this thread.

im sorry sir
i was using the word impose as you used it
i guess it and everything else i said went over ur head
and it looks like i found contradictions in ur posts
maybe YOU need to look up the word
and besides....
i already good dayed you

Originally posted by aspviper666
im sorry sir
i was using the word impose as you used it
i guess it and everything else i said went over ur head
and it looks like i found contradictions in ur posts
maybe YOU need to look up the word
and besides....
i already good dayed you

I wrote: it is you who have no right to impose your sentimentality upon the medical community.

This statement is true. You don't have the right to do so. You can express all you want,
but to impose it (remember:to inflict or enforce in an arbitrary or authoritarian manner) is
to be an oppressor.

I wrote: You are entitled to your opinion.

This statement is also true.

No contradicions here, just your continuing to embarrass yourself.

Nemesio

Originally posted by aspviper666
2.i have no medical training BUT i am well versed in suffering and death
i work as a butcher and i have put down countless thousands of animals many 1000 lbs or bigger i have seen the reaction of nerves to the knife EVEN AFTER THE BEHEADING OF THE ANIMAL
but I am the mindless one ??? rrrrright

This example actually demonstrates my point. Let's say you cut off a chicken's head.
How long do you think the BRAIN lives after that? 5 seconds? Now, you know
that the body of the chicken flops around for a good minute or so, right?

Do you think the chicken is suffering? I don't. The chicken is dead, the body is simply
reacting to the extraordinary pain in a feeble attempt to protect itself. But nothing
is registering to the brain (the head is detached). It's been dead.

Do you understand the difference between pain and suffering? Pain is natures way of protecting
itself. When you touch a hot stove, your hand jerks back before the signal reaches your brain,
saving you milliseconds of burning. But the suffering begins when the pain reaches
your brain. If you had no upper brain, your hand would still react reflexively, but there would
be no suffering.

A braindead patient doesn't even have reflexive capacities. The patient can't feel
pain. If it can't feel pain, how can it suffer?! You could set fire to the patient, and, because
there is no brain, the patient wouldn't move a bit (because the brain is dead!!!).

So the patient doesn't suffer one iota from starvation, which is why your point is totally
irrelevant.

3.it is based on my own personal experience of the medical profession playing god and collection agent and seen first hand the greed and corruption

Your paranoia doesn't compel me. Whether or not the medical profession plays god or
is greedy and corrupt does not make this particular example more or less valid.

Let me ask you this: Why don't you anesthetize the animals before you put them down?
If you are soooooooo concerned with a braindead patient (who can feel nothing), why
doesn't the obvious suffering you cause have any effect on you?

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
Originally posted by aspviper666
[b]2.i have no medical training BUT i am well versed in suffering and death
i work as a butcher and i have put down countless thousands of animals many 1000 lbs or bigger i have seen the reaction of nerves to the knife EVEN AFTER THE BEHEADING OF THE ANIMAL
but I am the mindless one ??? rrrrright

This examp ...[text shortened]... feel nothing), why
doesn't the obvious suffering you cause have any effect on you?

Nemesio[/b]

you continually take my words out of context i said i have seen the reaction to the knife
a definate reaction to the blade but you know everything
ill bet you have about 6 ex wifes....that is if you ever have found someone to put up with your "i am right...period " attitude'like i said a while ago good day
post all you want i will ignore the rest of your drivel

Originally posted by aspviper666
you continually take my words out of context i said i have seen the reaction to the knife
a definate reaction to the blade but you know everything
ill bet you have about 6 ex wifes....that is if you ever have found someone to put up with your "i am right...period " attitude'like i said a while ago good day
post all you want i will ignore the rest of your drivel

If my wife were a sniveling, illiterate sentimentalist, I wouldn't have
married her in the first place.

Good day!
Nemesio