03 Dec 22
@divegeester saidIdentity politics, rise of theologically conservative populism, disaffection with secular governance, unease with "Western values", and the somewhat widespread belief that such a law will be genuinely of benefit to a mostly godly and traditional society whose moral standards are seen as eroding..
Gosh. For both men and women?
What’s brought this on do you think?
@fmf saidFeel good legislation passed by a bunch of lawmakers who are no doubt jumping between the sheets with their shapely secretary's, staff members or anything else with a pulse. Sanctimony is a common byproduct of lawmakers in every nation.
Sex outside marriage is going to become punishable by 1 year in gaol here in Indonesia. Some have argued it is none of the government's business.
Thoughts?
It will be interesting to see how their new laws deal with 2 women who were legally married in another country, but now live in Indonesia.
03 Dec 22
@fmf saidIn the Bible, many men have had many wives, and concubines. I'm not sure when society, or the Bible, has altered this.
Sex outside marriage is going to become punishable by 1 year in gaol here in Indonesia. Some have argued it is none of the government's business.
Thoughts?
For example, Bathsheba was one of many wives of King David, and it was accepted.
03 Dec 22
@chaney3 said1 Corinthians 7:2
In the Bible, many men have had many wives, and concubines. I'm not sure when society, or the Bible, has altered this.
“But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.”
1 Timothy 3:2.
“Now the overseer is to be above reproach, the husband of one wife…”
@divegeester saidConveniently, that's New Testament. Written by someone other than Jesus.
1 Corinthians 7:2
“But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.”
1 Timothy 3:2.
“Now the overseer is to be above reproach, the husband of one wife…”
Another instance of ignoring the Old Testament, as if it was rubbish.
Edit: I might start a new thread about how much the Old Testament is cast aside once Jesus arrives on the scene.
@fmf saidIn a predominantly Muslim country. Not surprised. Right in line with Saudi Arabia. Let them have their medieval Sharia Law for all I care. I’ll holiday in Greece or Sweden instead.
Identity politics, rise of theologically conservative populism, disaffection with secular governance, unease with "Western values", and the somewhat widespread belief that such a law will be genuinely of benefit to a mostly godly and traditional society whose moral standards are seen as eroding..
Does the Indonesian law provide for temporary marriage and instant divorce (repeated three times by the husband )?
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04 Dec 22
@fmf saidIf you happen to have sex in gaol, would that extend the original sentence?
Sex outside marriage is going to become punishable by 1 year in gaol here in Indonesia. Some have argued it is none of the government's business.
Thoughts?
As for me, I think the government should be taken to court to explain why that would be any of their business.
As a gay man, I suspect this is their attempt to make a show of being even-handed while continuing to criminalize gay sex to placate the proud and easily agitated superstitious numpties who, it should be said, also have their counterparts over here in the Comments-Section States of the USA.
05 Dec 22
@moonbus saidThere is a form of polygamy-compliant "quickie" marriage called "nikah siri" available to Muslim men, as it were, and supposedly legitimate ~ while at the same time being done discreetly and on the hush-hush. I would tend to doubt that there would be successful prosecutions of people who had sex outside an erstwhile monogamous marriage through "nikah siri".
Does the Indonesian law provide for temporary marriage and instant divorce (repeated three times by the husband )?
@kevin-eleven saidYou were having a nice chat here with Josephw yesterday.
As a gay man, I suspect this is their attempt to make a show of being even-handed while continuing to criminalize gay sex
He believes gay sex is a “crime” and that you therefore are a criminal deserving of Old Testament level punishment, or worse. kellyjay, sonship and serval other ‘chatty’ Christians here believe the same.
Under Old Testament law you would be stoned to death.
Under their version of New Testament law, Jesus will be overseeing you being eternally and purposefully burnt alive; suffering a fate far worse that old testament punishment of death, as your flesh melts from your bones and is supernaturally reconstituted in a perpetual cycle of living agony which lasts forever and ever while those people who have accepted this version of Jesus play with lambs and baby tigers in the fields of paradise.
They believe you are deserving of this.
Enjoy your chats.