Shootings

@ghost-of-a-duke said
As usual, the Bible is inconsistent on this:

'When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.'

Matthew 10:23

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No, the Trinity is not a biblical teaching. But then neither is Jesus being Michael.

@pettytalk said
I do have to give credit to the Mormons as Smith was the first to understand that the Son, Jesus, was a completely separate entity from the Father.

@pettytalk said
The Christian trinity came into the picture because of that old and silly question: 'Who created God?'

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Why does your church keep flip flopping on whether Jesus (cough cough Michael) should be worshipped?

Initially, JWs taught that Jesus should be worshiped, and then only receive “relative” worship (the worship of Jehovah through Jesus), before finally his worship being flat out forbidden.

@galveston75 said
We have never worshiped Jesus or Michael. Jesus himself forbids it....

@PettyTalk

Sorry but most of what you think you are explaining makes no sense at all.
For example: In Luke, Jesus' points out clearly that he himself DOES NOT KNOW WHEN HE'LL BE BACK AGAIN. "But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

You are mixing up two different events. If you really understood those scriptures you would know that Jesus is never coming back to earth as a human. He is speaking of his "presence" or his influence. That's why it says "presence" and not to be walking here again physically as he did as a human at one time. He had to give up his flesh and blood for all humans to have a chance to be forgiven of sins caused by imperfection. He accomplished that by death. There is no need for him to return again as a flesh and blood human.
Your last comment says "he does not know the day or the hour". Of what? What is he speaking of? No idea? Armageddon. Only his Father Jehovah knows that. That also kind of kills the trinity belief.....

@divegeester said
Incorrect.

Matthew 14:33

"Those in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'"

@galveston75 said
@PettyTalk

Sorry but most of what you think you are explaining makes no sense at all.
For example: In Luke, Jesus' points out clearly that he himself DOES NOT KNOW WHEN HE'LL BE BACK AGAIN. "But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

You are mixing up two different events. If you really u ...[text shortened]... ea? Armageddon. Only his Father Jehovah knows that. That also kind of kills the trinity belief.....

And so, as the debates continue, and the participants remain steadfast in their convictions, we are reminded of the words of the wise: "The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know."

@divegeester

Depends on the bible you choose to use....

New American Bible
Those who were in the boat did him homage, saying, “Truly, you are the Son of God.”

Young's Literal Translation
"and those in the boat having come, did bow to him, saying, 'Truly -- God's Son art thou.'

Darby Bible Translation
But those in the ship came and did homage to him, saying, Truly thou art God's Son.

The point is the apostles knew this was not God Jehovah as they clearly said he is God's son. Jesus also commanded many during his life as a HUMAN that he was never to be worshiped but that was only done to his Father Jehovah....

Read your bible.......and maybe one that does not promote the trinity. The trinity bibles clearly lean certain words and sayings to promote that pagan teaching. If you want the trinity, there are plenty bibles out there to help you out.

@pettytalk said
And so, as the debates continue, and the participants remain steadfast in their convictions, we are reminded of the words of the wise: "The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know."

@Rajk999

Was Jesus flesh and blood as in a human being when he was raised to heaven? You have to think about this.
When he was raised to heaven, "where no flesh and blood can enter" he had left his body.
So that would mean what?

@galveston75 said
@divegeester

Depends on the bible you choose to use....

@galveston75 said
Read your bible.......and maybe one that does not promote the trinity. The trinity bibles clearly lean certain words and sayings to promote that pagan teaching. If you want the trinity, there are plenty bibles out there to help you out.