Stage 1 - Failure to produce biblical support for doctrines preached - with the normal hemming hawing , blah, blah blahing without getting to the point and beating around the bush
Stage 2 - Claiming persecution when supporting references are vague or not forthcoming, and quoting passages about true believers being persecuted.
Stage 3 - Quoting passages about judging others, impling that someone can promote false doctrines without being judged by others. This stage represents a complete failure of the doctrine promoted.
Im seen sonship and several others here go through these same stages.
@rajk999 saidStage 4 - Change the topic and ignore the bible references posted by others
Stage 1 - Failure to produce biblical support for doctrines preached - with the normal hemming hawing , blah, blah blahing without getting to the point and beating around the bush
Stage 2 - Claiming persecution when supporting references are vague or not forthcoming, and quoting passages about true believers being persecuted.
Stage 3 - Quoting passages about judging oth ...[text shortened]... e of the doctrine promoted.
Im seen sonship and several others here go through these same stages.
Stage 5: Even after being refuted, continue to claim false doctrine as correct.
You claimed slavery in the Bible was not evil because only "criminal" Jews became slaves. You were then shown that not only were slaves not even Jews (Jewish slaves weren't allowed) but were actually prisoners of wars, from lands where Jews were the invaders.
You actually acknowledged you were wrong about claims like slaves being "criminal Jews" and still continue to hold to your false belief.
@vivify saidYou have refuted nothing. I can see clear differences between what you refer to slavery in the bible, compared to the slavery practiced by your forefathers in the USA and Europe. As far as I am concerned although you call them the same name they are not the same. Am I supposed to remove my brains and insert a weaker one like yours, so that I can understand what you are saying ?
Stage 5: Even after being refuted, continue to claim false doctrine as correct.
You claimed slavery in the Bible was not evil because only "criminal" Jews became slaves. You were then shown that not only were slaves not even Jews (Jewish slaves weren't allowed) but were actually prisoners of wars, from lands where Jews were the invaders.
You actually acknowledged you ...[text shortened]... rong about claims like slaves being "criminal Jews" and still continue to hold to your false belief.
@rajk999 saidStage 6: throw strawmen and red herrings when your argument loses ground.
You have refuted nothing. I can see clear differences between what you refer to slavery in the bible, compared to the slavery practiced by your forefathers in the USA and Europe. As far as I am concerned although you call them the same name they are not the same. Am I supposed to remove my brains and insert a weaker one like yours, so that I can understand what you are saying ?
I didn't compare U.S. slavery to the Bible, you did. I said slavery is evil: it is. You're trying to make Biblical slavery seem just by comparing it to U.S. slavery. This is just diversion from the fact that slavery is evil.
Your tactic is like defending Harvey Weinstein by saying he's not as bad as Ted Bundy. Biblical slavery was evil.
@vivify saidYou saying slavery is evil an opinion. What kind of fool insists that people accept his opinion as fact.
Stage 6: throw strawmen and red herrings when your argument loses ground.
I didn't compare U.S. slavery to the Bible, you did. I said slavery is evil: it is. You're trying to make Biblical slavery seem just by comparing it to U.S. slavery. This is just diversion from the fact that slavery is evil.
Your tactic is like defending Harvey Weinstein by saying he's not as bad as Ted Bundy. Biblical slavery was evil.
@rajk999 saidThe opinion that slavery is evil is so widely accepted, it's almost a fact. This is not something that needs debate.
You saying slavery is evil an opinion. What kind of fool insists that people accept his opinion as fact.
Would you like to debate whether rape is immoral? Oh right, the Bible lets female slaves be raped by their owners.
@vivify saidYou are an A$$. First you say you not comparing slavery with modern times but you are. Slavery is widely accepted NOW as evil. NOW we are living in a different time, NOW there are courts, judges, policemen, soldiers, protection from outsiders. We have the UN, international treaties and agreements. NOW cannot be compared with 4000 years ago.
The opinion that slavery is evil is so widely accepted, it's almost a fact. This is not something that needs debate.
Would you like to debate whether rape is immoral? Oh right, the Bible lets female slaves be raped by their owners.
In the time of the bible, people were under attack from outsider whose aim was to KILL THEM. These attackers were killed or taken as slaves. There was no police, no solders, no courts no jail. They were used to do work on the farms.
That makes perfect sense. If if does not make sense to you then you are C$@T
@rajk999 saidAnd? Raping female POWs was also "acceptable" by the Bible. Just like slavery, it's indefensible.
You are an A$$. First you say you not comparing slavery with modern times but you are. Slavery is widely accepted NOW as evil. NOW we are living in a different time, NOW there are courts, judges, policemen, soldiers, protection from outsiders. We have the UN, international treaties and agreements. NOW cannot be compared with 4000 years ago.
In the time of the bible, people were under attack from outsider whose aim was to KILL THEM.
You were already refuted on this point. The Israelites *were* the attackers. They believed God promised them the land, and that God commanded them to forcibly remove other nations.
The Israelites *invaded* other nations, without provocation, and made slaves of the people they captured. This is evil, pure and simple.
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For my purposes I mean "pro-life" in that a fetus is a human being.
Most people I meet expressing outrage that ANE cultures sacrificing living children to gods who God commanded Israel to displace and judge, seem to be pro-choice.
The millions of human beings murdered before birth for convenience somehow doesn't bother them. But the dispersion and judgment of the Canaanite cities calls for selective outrage.
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What I read in the Old Testament was that God did not want Israel to enter Canaan for another four-hundred years from the time of Abraham because they had not gotten evil enough yet.
"But as for you [Abraham], you will go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried in a good old age.
And in the fourth generation they will come here again, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete." (Gen. 16:15,16)
God knew that they were on a downward moral slide into corruption. Yet they would not get so bad as to be harshly judged by the conquest under Joshua for another 400 years of moral decline.
Then God gave them an addition 40 years to disperse or repent as the Hebrews wandered in the wilderness.
Then at the city of Jericho He had the Israelite army circle seven times once a day for a last warning. Those who would escape divine justice would be given opportunity to flee.
Then as I read on the history of the OT I notice that God judged the Israelites in the exact same manner as they fell into imitating the sins of the Canaanites they had replaced.
I might add that Gentile prophet Balaam and priest of Midian Jethro proves that these ANE Gentiles had pagan prophets of God. This prompts me to believe that those cultures had warnings from non-Israelite prophetic voices that warned them that they were committing iniquity in their child sacrifices, animal sex, sorcery, homosexual acts, demon worship and incests.
So it is not quite as cut and dry as many Bible critics would have me believe.