Originally posted by RJHindsActually: no. Love has nothing to do with forgiveness in the spiritual sense. The basis of God's forgiveness with respect to the sins of man has everything to do with justice.
That is sweet, but even that requires a sweeter word: LOVE. 😏
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
What Christ did on the cross was an acceptable work to atone for the sins of the world. When a person is recognized as a believer (i.e., accepted the gift of salvation), they are imputed with the righteousness of God. God imparts to them what He imparts to the work done on the cross by the Lord Jesus Christ. He certainly doesn't love that believer personally; He loves them objectively--- but His forgiveness isn't based on some affection or emotion He feels (or they elicit). He forgives because His righteous standard has been met; that standard has been passed to the believer; He forgives.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI was taught what Christ did brought about forgiveness and redemption for Original Sin only, not "sins of the world." Justice was done WRT our inherited sin, by Jesus standing up for mankind. People still had to come to Christ and seek a just reconciliation with and through Christ and His forgiveness for their sins.
Actually: no. Love has nothing to do with forgiveness in the spiritual sense. The basis of God's forgiveness with respect to the sins of man has everything to do with justice.
What Christ did on the cross was an acceptable work to atone for the sins of the world. When a person is recognized as a believer (i.e., accepted the gift of salvation), they a ...[text shortened]... righteous standard has been met; that standard has been passed to the believer; He forgives.
I won't deny that what I was taught raises some questions about the sins of those who had died.
Originally posted by JS357Good stuff.
I was taught what Christ did brought about forgiveness and redemption for Original Sin only, not "sins of the world." Justice was done WRT our inherited sin, by Jesus standing up for mankind. People still had to come to Christ and seek a just reconciliation with and through Christ and His forgiveness for their sins.
I won't deny that what I was taught raises some questions about the sins of those who had died.
I don't know that the Lord Jesus Christ was necessarily "standing up for mankind" as He was standing up to deliver and stand in for as replacement. Mankind was incapable and unqualified to stand for itself; He was the only Person who could stand in the gap between man and God.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIf we could truly practice forgiveness
[b]Sweetest Word on The Tongue of Men:
Forgiveness!
Classic Illustration: Psalm 32
Opinion / Comment.[/b]
the world would transform. Clean the slate everywhere!
Oh what a dream!
Without true forgiveness there is no healing
and worse, there is no approaching.
Forgiveness is seen at the true heart of every path.
But there are many that are false;
the mark of heart-truth is forgiveness.
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."
These are the most precious words of the Christian faith.
taoman.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHI believe Love did play a big part in the decision by Jesus to lay down His life for our sins. The following is what Jesus the Christ said about love:
Actually: no. Love has nothing to do with forgiveness in the spiritual sense. The basis of God's forgiveness with respect to the sins of man has everything to do with justice.
What Christ did on the cross was an acceptable work to atone for the sins of the world. When a person is recognized as a believer (i.e., accepted the gift of salvation), they a righteous standard has been met; that standard has been passed to the believer; He forgives.
“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you.[/b]"
(John 15:12-14 NASB)
Therefore I believe Love is greater than forgiveness.
Love includes forgiveness.
Originally posted by RJHindsCan you give modern examples?
I believe Love did play a big part in the decision by Jesus to lay down His life for our sins. The following is what Jesus the Christ said about love:
“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. [b]Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I co ...[text shortened]... 2-14 NASB)
Therefore I believe Love is greater than forgiveness.
Love includes forgiveness.[/b]